can dwarves equip 2 handed swords?

[Quack]

because pale hunters dwarves can

[AlP]

You have to let it go.

[Quack]

Originally posted by AlP:

You have to let it go.

what? these are different pale hunters

[Quack]

point is, maybe even a dwarf, if strong enough, can equip a bigger weapon like a 2-handed sword

[AlP]

They can't.

https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Two-handed_sword

[Quack]

Originally posted by AlP:

They can't.

https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Two-handed_sword

I don't care for your wiki link, I have seen a dwarf wielding it

[Quack]

Alhtough by reading it, it ironically contradicts your claim and confirms my suspicion

[AlP]

You haven't seen a dwarf wielding it.

[Erei]

Pale hunter are undead. Magically enhanced undead even. Is a vampire still human ? Or a lich ? Or a werewolf ? Technically, they used to be, and might even look like a human, kinda.

Pale hunter can also sometimes cast magic, your dwarves can't. They don't need to breath and can go on the ocean floor and be OK, your dwarves can't. They are never exhausted like your dwarves. You can stab their major organs except for the brain and they are still going, while your dwavres would die.

So yes, there are many things a pale hunte rcan do that a dwarf can't.


Like any weapon and gear, it's not race locked but strength/size locked. If a dwarf is tall and strong enough they would be able to carry (and use) a 2handed sword. But a dwarf can't be that tall and strong, according to wiki. Pale hunter apparently can.

[Quack]

Originally posted by Erei:

Pale hunter are undead. Magically enhanced undead even. Is a vampire still human ? Or a lich ? Or a werewolf ? Technically, they used to be, and might even look like a human, kinda.

Pale hunter can also sometimes cast magic, your dwarves can't. They don't need to breath and can go on the ocean floor and be OK, your dwarves can't. They are never exhausted like your dwarves. You can stab their major organs except for the brain and they are still going, while your dwavres would die.

So yes, there are many things a pale hunte rcan do that a dwarf can't.


Like any weapon and gear, it's not race locked but strength/size locked. If a dwarf is tall and strong enough they would be able to carry (and use) a 2handed sword. But a dwarf can't be that tall and strong, according to wiki. Pale hunter apparently can.

yes, of course a pale hunter dwarf is still a dwarf, just undead and with some magic. You've not described a different creature, you've just described any undead.


Has anyone ever had a dwarf as strong as this guys and tried to equip him with a 2-handed weapon to claim it's impossible?

And also, stop falsely claim tgat according to the wiki dwarves can't. Read better.

[Erei]

In adventure mode you can use it with a dwarf, I tested. I have no idea if my dwarf was taller than the average or not. Couldn't wield it one handed, which is not surprising. However, in fortress mode :

dwarves cannot equip two-handed swords.

That's from the wiki. I guess you're the one who can't read properly ?

As for pale hunter they are pale hunter not dwarves. Thus the name. Like werecreature are not dwarf anymore when they shapeshift.
As for 2h sword, the issue is from a bug. Pale hunter being another entity creature (agree or not, that's how the game works), they may simply not be affected by the bug.

And as for your question, yes, people tested it. If you bothered to check the sources for the wiki :
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=119068.msg3790913#msg3790913
https://dwarffortressbugtracker.com/view.php?id=0005812

While the ofrum post is quite old, the newest post on the bug report is from 2022, so not that old. Although it may have been fixed since then, who knows ?

[Quack]

Originally posted by Erei:

In adventure mode you can use it with a dwarf, I tested. I have no idea if my dwarf was taller than the average or not. Couldn't wield it one handed, which is not surprising. However, in fortress mode :

dwarves cannot equip two-handed swords.

That's from the wiki. I guess you're the one who can't read properly ?

As for pale hunter they are pale hunter not dwarves. Thus the name. Like werecreature are not dwarf anymore when they shapeshift.
As for 2h sword, the issue is from a bug. Pale hunter being another entity creature (agree or not, that's how the game works), they may simply not be affected by the bug.

And as for your question, yes, people tested it. If you bothered to check the sources for the wiki :
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=119068.msg3790913#msg3790913
https://dwarffortressbugtracker.com/view.php?id=0005812

While the ofrum post is quite old, the newest post on the bug report is from 2022, so not that old. Although it may have been fixed since then, who knows ?

"Due to the size of two-handed swords, most dwarves are unable to equip them. With height and broadness modifiers, some dwarves should be able to use a two-handed sword, and a select few might manage to do so one-handed. Unfortunately, due to a bug, two-handed swords cannot currently be equipped by any dwarves."

from the wiki
Cite the whole thing, not just the 4 words that suits your argument

The answers is that it could equip it because NPCs don't do checks to equip. It doesn't matter that he was undead or whatever. Goblins can equip pikes for example

And as you said, dwarves CAN equip 2h swords in adv mode. If they cannot in fortress is JUST BECAUSE OF A BUG, not because of game design

[Quack]

To elaborate further, an NPC gear is generated regardless of checks and will use whatever weapons from its civ. So you won't see for example a dwarf from an dwarf civ wielding it. But you could in theory see a living dwarf with a 2h-sword if he was from a human civ

[Erei]

Originally posted by Quack:

Cite the whole thing, not just the 4 words that suits your argument

Funny you say that, and then omit the part I quote. Maybe we should add it for completion sake ?

In fortress mode, one-handed vs. two-handed checks are performed correctly, but can wield vs. can't wield ignores height and broadness modifiers, so dwarves cannot equip two-handed swords.Bug:0005812 See this forum post for details.

Originally posted by Quack:

The answers is that it could equip it because NPCs don't do checks to equip. It doesn't matter that he was undead or whatever. Goblins can equip pikes for example

And as you said, dwarves CAN equip 2h swords in adv mode. If they cannot in fortress is JUST BECAUSE OF A BUG, not because of game design

I guess we agree then ? And you also answered your own thread.

Dwarves cannot equip 2h sword in fortress mode due to a bug.

If the pale hunter confuse you, then as I said, as far as the game is concerned they are not dwarves. The game probably use some variation to add and remove token to the entity to make it what it is, which may make the bug irrelevant.
Just like a necromancer is not a dwarf. Or a vampire. They use different values and token and the game is just a game, it doesn't know what the hell is a dwarf, it just read code.