Need help dealing with a vampire. Is it my necromancer mayor?

[devilsdesign]

I have a vampire and possibly two in my fort. We have found 3 drained to death corpses in their beds. I've interrogated many people. By the second corpse I kicked out all outsiders of my tavern so I can narrow down who it is. There was a witness but for some reason they do not appear on the list of people I can interrogate even though they are not an outsider. (I found out later it was because the dwarves have like 3 different names)I havent been able to narrow down anyone through interrogation but I suspect my necromancer mayor just because she is very pale and weird. She has a brother who is also pale and weird, he has a dialogue that says "he didnt feel anythng after seeing the corpse
of the victim". He is also a soldier in my guard.
My question is even if I figure out who it is then how do I kill the vampire? Do I just instruct my guard to kill him/her? or do I just convict him and try to pursue a more legal pathway?
I will have to disband the squad he is in and reform them without him since it seems I cant just drop a single guard from the squad?

UPDATE: I Interrogated the younger brother and, as I suspected, he did confess to the crime. My question is now- I want to kill the vampire, not going to convince me otherwise, Do I just instruct my guard to kill him? Do I still convict him and is there a legal way to execute him? I dont understand what I should do next?

UPDATE 2: Both my necromancer mayor and her younger brother were responsible for the crimes. Ive chosen to convict them. They are both being given several hundred years of imprisonment. This is not good for me because even though my mayor has been convicted, they are still showing up as the current mayor. I would like to reshuffle this assignment but not sure if its possible now?

I dont have magma or any way to kill them. Seems like I cant starve or drown them. Can I just assign my guard to kill them? Im worried about negative morale but I cant have her stay the mayor. I will just seal up the other one for eternity in a compact bricked space

UPDATE 3: I chained them both to an area on a lower level. Im going to see if i can hollow out a level below, possibly hollow out the level below that. And then im going to see if i can drop them a couple levels. Does anyone know if vampires are immune to fall dmg or will have a high survivability in this situaton??
I dropped her down 4 levels below by channeling out levels beneath and she was only knocked out unconscious. I guess ill try dropping the floor above onto her.

Update 4:
Dropped a tile onto her head. Damn that was effective. Died instantly. Its dangerous work tho as even a small tile falling on the floor causes a big explosion and can harm the other dwarves.

The younger brother took the mayor spot as soon as she died. I was going to amontillado him in a brick wall but i guess another tile dropped isnt too much work.

And thats how I caught and dealt with the vampire infestation.

UPDATE 5: In retrospect, I feel I handled it wrong because killing the mayor, even though she was a vampire, was just far too punishing for my fortress. Then her brother assumed the mayor position and killing him caused a double morale hit. I should have dealt with it by imprisoning the brother and sealing him up and just build a comfy crib for the mayor and seal her away in there so she cant harm any of my dwarves. She wouldve been the mayor for all eternity but that was fine. anyways didnt matter cuz Right after I killed them a were-chameleon outbreak occurred and everyone died. Losing is fun??

[sajmon]

Originally posted by devilsdesign:

My question is even if I figure out who it is then how do I kill the vampire?

I dropped lava on my vampire queen, no interrigatations were needed.

To find a vampire one of the methods i guess is to pay close attention to the bedrooms when dwarves sleep...

About being pale necromancer, i dont think its any proof. My duchy/mayor has been necromancer and nothing bad is happening. I also have tamed Soldier of The Night and Goblin Manager

[Jod!]

You can totally drop a single soldier from a squad, just select mine and swap them/unassign them. Check the kill lists, my vamp had "Zero kills" written in there which is sus cause ordinary dwarfs with no kills do not have that text. Also - unsatisfied food and drink needs are a dead giveaway if your tavern is stocked, vamps don't eat or drink but still have those needs for some reason.

[devilsdesign]

Originally posted by JodMcJod:

You can totally drop a single soldier from a squad, just select mine and swap them/unassign them. Check the kill lists, my vamp had "Zero kills" written in there which is sus cause ordinary dwarfs with no kills do not have that text. Also - unsatisfied food and drink needs are a dead giveaway if your tavern is stocked, vamps don't eat or drink but still have those needs for some reason.

UPDATE: I Interrogated the younger brother and, as I suspected, he did confess to the crime. My question is now- I want to kill the vampire, not going to convince me otherwise, Do I just instruct my guard to kill him? Do I still convict him and is there a legal way to execute him? I dont understand what I should do next?

[devilsdesign]

Originally posted by sajmon:

Originally posted by devilsdesign:

My question is even if I figure out who it is then how do I kill the vampire?

I dropped lava on my vampire queen, no interrigatations were needed.

To find a vampire one of the methods i guess is to pay close attention to the bedrooms when dwarves sleep...

About being pale necromancer, i dont think its any proof. My duchy/mayor has been necromancer and nothing bad is happening. I also have tamed Soldier of The Night and Goblin Manager

UPDATE: I Interrogated the younger brother and, as I suspected, he did confess to the crime. My question is now- I want to kill the vampire, not going to convince me otherwise, Do I just instruct my guard to kill him? Do I still convict him and is there a legal way to execute him? I dont understand what I should do next?

[Teemo]

Originally posted by devilsdesign:

Originally posted by JodMcJod:

You can totally drop a single soldier from a squad, just select mine and swap them/unassign them. Check the kill lists, my vamp had "Zero kills" written in there which is sus cause ordinary dwarfs with no kills do not have that text. Also - unsatisfied food and drink needs are a dead giveaway if your tavern is stocked, vamps don't eat or drink but still have those needs for some reason.

UPDATE: I Interrogated the younger brother and, as I suspected, he did confess to the crime. My question is now- I want to kill the vampire, not going to convince me otherwise, Do I just instruct my guard to kill him? Do I still convict him and is there a legal way to execute him? I dont understand what I should do next?

You can use the justice system, but it's not obvious what punishment he'll get or if it will kill him. Or you can build a retracting bridge over a magma sea, station him there, and pull the lever. I would not recommend telling your soldiers to kill him as that could cause loyalty breaks in your fort and you could end up with far more dead dwarves than just the vamp.

[devilsdesign]

Originally posted by Teemo:

Originally posted by devilsdesign:

UPDATE: I Interrogated the younger brother and, as I suspected, he did confess to the crime. My question is now- I want to kill the vampire, not going to convince me otherwise, Do I just instruct my guard to kill him? Do I still convict him and is there a legal way to execute him? I dont understand what I should do next?

You can use the justice system, but it's not obvious what punishment he'll get or if it will kill him. Or you can build a retracting bridge over a magma sea, station him there, and pull the lever. I would not recommend telling your soldiers to kill him as that could cause loyalty breaks in your fort and you could end up with far more dead dwarves than just the vamp.

I did choose to convict them but I need to kill the mayor so I can get a new person for the job. I dont have access to magma and wouldnt know how to handle it even if I did. Why cant I just have my guard choose to kill her?

[sajmon]

platinum minecart accident?

[VoiD]

The suggestions make me wonder, could they be considered exploits?

I mean, there's a whole justice system integrated into the game which can be bypassed creating "accidents" which I'd assume have no real negative consequences(?) instead.

Is that believable from a storytelling point of view, and legit from a gameplay perspective?

[Jod!]

Originally posted by VoiD:

The suggestions make me wonder, could they be considered exploits?

I mean, there's a whole justice system integrated into the game which can be bypassed creating "accidents" which I'd assume have no real negative consequences(?) instead.

Is that believable from a storytelling point of view, and legit from a gameplay perspective?

That's how your parents and grandparents did it, is this not good enough for you young folk?

Seriously - DON'T issue a kill order on your own dwarves, you will start a blood feud in your population. If you don't know how to handle a problem dwarf - exile or atomize him/her. Any unnecessary conflict participants will become more problem dwarves for you to handle.

[LastChime]

Their social skills are usually ridiculous so they might not even get hammered. If you get lucky they might get convicted and jailed for hundreds of days, in which you can probably cask of amontillado them, not sure if the guard captain will get a negative mood out of not being able to free someone after a sentence, I've never noticed if they did.

If you're bent on vigilante justice though and they get off, you can give them a nice lever to pull linked to a support that's the only thing holding up the platform the lever is on that will drop them 40 or so Z levels.

[malthenielsen]

You can either wait for an invasion and and try to have him outside when it happens. You can for instance give him his bedroom and office on the top layer, and then lock him out and hope the invaders kill him.

Also you can drop a roof on him. You do that by mining out a room and then digging down ramps in the sides so in the end the room is unsupported and crashes down.

You could set that up and just have one tile support the roof and then put his rooms below it so he'll go there eventually.

[Jod!]

Originally posted by malthenielsen:

You can either wait for an invasion and and try to have him outside when it happens. You can for instance give him his bedroom and office on the top layer, and then lock him out and hope the invaders kill him.

Also you can drop a roof on him. You do that by mining out a room and then digging down ramps in the sides so in the end the room is unsupported and crashes down.

You could set that up and just have one tile support the roof and then put his rooms below it so he'll go there eventually.

Or, you know, you can just station him under a bridge and lower it on him.

Just don't forget to engrave a slab as a memorial or the ghost will come back to haunt you.

[malthenielsen]

Originally posted by JodMcJod:

Originally posted by malthenielsen:

You can either wait for an invasion and and try to have him outside when it happens. You can for instance give him his bedroom and office on the top layer, and then lock him out and hope the invaders kill him.

Also you can drop a roof on him. You do that by mining out a room and then digging down ramps in the sides so in the end the room is unsupported and crashes down.

You could set that up and just have one tile support the roof and then put his rooms below it so he'll go there eventually.

Or, you know, you can just station him under a bridge and lower it on him.

Just don't forget to engrave a slab as a memorial or the ghost will come back to haunt you.

Oh yeah.

I'm not sure if you can put a mayor in a military unit? If you can yes, then the far easiest is to station his 1-person unit for drawbridge-underside inspection.

[polle]

several hundred years?? My vampire Mayor got 1 day in prison and after we found the third body he got a hammering which injured him so badly he died in his room.
The question is why your vampire got several hundred years because i would be ok with this, does your sheriff strongly believe in the law?

[Jod!]

Originally posted by malthenielsen:

I'm not sure if you can put a mayor in a military unit? If you can yes, then the far easiest is to station his 1-person unit for drawbridge-underside inspection.

Assign him to a 1-tile burrow there perhaps? Or just build the bridge next to his chain at the dungeon/the place he hangs out usually.