solved - elfes consider glass tables and cabinets as WOOD (clear, not tested the others)

[eazytom]

solved - elfes consider glass tables and cabinets as WOOD (clear, not tested the others)

[LaChouette]

So, let's get the process in reverse.
You created that table from clear glass.
You made that clear glass using sand and pearlash.
You made that pearlash using potash.
You made that potash using ash.
You made that ash by burning wood.

Therefore, you burned wood to make that clear glass table. And the elves know that process.

That's also why elves will get angry if you try selling them soap, as it is made from lye, which you make from ash, therefore also burning wood. And that's also why, while they get angry for crystal and clear glass, they don't get angry about green glass, since that one doesn't require pearlash.

[True Guesser, Wand Bearer, etc.]

Burning wood for fuel should not affect them. Decorating an item with wood does offend. And new to Premium, animal products as well (I think).

[eazytom]

Originally posted by True Guesser, Wand Bearer, etc.:

Burning wood for fuel should not affect them. Decorating an item with wood does offend. And new to Premium, animal products as well (I think).

all plant and animal part derivatives. and glases
thanks

[Robert]

During trade, elves will not accept: wood, wooden items, or any goods decorated with wood; this includes clear and crystal glass items and soap, because wood-derived lye and pearlash are used in their production.

You can indeed sell metal products to elves, even when you used wood for fuel for your smelter. The engine doesn't track down the history of the creation of the particular item in such detail, and there are alternatives to wood as fuel blah blah. At least that's how I try to explain this cognitive dissonance, or lack of. But glass is derived form pearl ash, which is always derived from wood, so there's that.

[Guided]

OHHHH animal products count?

wait.. so THATS why they were mad with me selling them totems???

thought it would be ok, since they use every bit of the animals THEY kill...
bloody elves, such hypocrites, they just looking for a reason to munch on my bones :(

[Robert]

Originally posted by eazytom:

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all plant and animal part derivatives. and glases
thanks

Sorry for being a smartass, but no. Technically all of your booze is a plant derivative. And elves will happily buy it. Maybe because the plants involved were happy to be distilled into booze, who knows. To be honest, understanding all those friggin ethical caveats when trying to trade peacefully with those hippies is too much for most dwarves, so confiscating all their goods and throwing the traders into deep pits is completely acceptable. Don't ever let them escape after p*ssing them off, though, because if they manage to return to their civ's capital they might return and start sieging your fortress, equipped with wooden armor and weapons, and riding on exotic animals, lol. Damn tree huggers.

[Otterking]

Elves are the worst they got mad about alpaca wool socks. NO ANIMAL DIED TO MAKE IT! damn turbo vegans.

[eazytom]

Originally posted by Robert:

Originally posted by eazytom:

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all plant and animal part derivatives. and glases
thanks

Sorry for being a smartass, but no. Technically all of your booze is a plant derivative. And elves will happily buy it. Maybe because the plants involved were happy to be distilled into booze, who knows. To be honest, understanding all those friggin ethical caveats when trying to trade peacefully with those hippies is too much for most dwarves, so confiscating all their goods and throwing the traders into deep pits is completely acceptable. Don't ever let them escape after p*ssing them off, though, because if they manage to return to their civ's capital they might return and start sieging your fortress, equipped with wooden armor and weapons, and riding on exotic animals, lol. Damn tree huggers.

i guess during drink production seeds are preserved.

i like elfes. the whole concept is an alternate path for humanity (and dwarfs) tu pursue, not destroying environment, and living things

but that doesent mean im not became upset because, i hauled a lot of stuff to trade, and they just refuse :)

but i see the concept. it would be interresting to play elfes as a choosable race, growing all items.

[Guided]

Originally posted by Robert:

Originally posted by eazytom:

....
all plant and animal part derivatives. and glases
thanks

Sorry for being a smartass, but no. Technically all of your booze is a plant derivative. And elves will happily buy it. Maybe because the plants involved were happy to be distilled into booze, who knows. To be honest, understanding all those friggin ethical caveats when trying to trade peacefully with those hippies is too much for most dwarves, so confiscating all their goods and throwing the traders into deep pits is completely acceptable. Don't ever let them escape after p*ssing them off, though, because if they manage to return to their civ's capital they might return and start sieging your fortress, equipped with wooden armor and weapons, and riding on exotic animals, lol. Damn tree huggers.

??? elves buy booze? booze in wooden barrels?????

I will take your advice on how to deal with the tree huggers, sounds like much less work....
never dug deep enough for lava (thought I'd get round to it once I'd finished burying my dwarfs from multi layer channelling)

... sure it cant be all THAT bad tho :P

[eazytom]

Originally posted by Guided:

Originally posted by Robert:

Sorry for being a smartass, but no. Technically all of your booze is a plant derivative. And elves will happily buy it. Maybe because the plants involved were happy to be distilled into booze, who knows. To be honest, understanding all those friggin ethical caveats when trying to trade peacefully with those hippies is too much for most dwarves, so confiscating all their goods and throwing the traders into deep pits is completely acceptable. Don't ever let them escape after p*ssing them off, though, because if they manage to return to their civ's capital they might return and start sieging your fortress, equipped with wooden armor and weapons, and riding on exotic animals, lol. Damn tree huggers.

??? elves buy booze? booze in wooden barrels?????

I will take your advice on how to deal with the tree huggers, sounds like much less work....
never dug deep enough for lava (thought I'd get round to it once I'd finished burying my dwarfs from multi layer channelling)

... sure it cant be all THAT bad tho :P

You can store booze in POT. stone, metal.

[Dirty_Curty]

I believe this has always been the case. Elves know that the process of making glass involves burning wood.

[eazytom]

Originally posted by Dirty_Curty:

I believe this has always been the case. Elves know that the process of making glass involves burning wood.

yes, now it makes sense, i guess there are mode things to discover in DF

[Robert]

Originally posted by Guided:

??? elves buy booze? booze in wooden barrels?????

Elves love booze (who doesn't?), but you need to store it in rock pots instead of wooden barrels for trading.

I will take your advice on how to deal with the tree huggers, sounds like much less work....
never dug deep enough for lava (thought I'd get round to it once I'd finished burying my dwarfs from multi layer channelling)

... sure it cant be all THAT bad tho :P

If you take the pit advice... I think you need a drop of ~10 z levels so they go splat on the ground with zero chance of survival. No need to go dig down to magma levels. Unless you enjoy it that way, which would be perfectly fine too.

[Commisar Jon Fuklaw]

Trading with elves? That's a hammerin'.

[vonsch]

Originally posted by True Guesser, Wand Bearer, etc.:

Burning wood for fuel should not affect them. Decorating an item with wood does offend. And new to Premium, animal products as well (I think).

They certainly got all huffy when I tried to sell them a dog skull totem. Must be dog-lovers. I'll try cat next time.