I cannot upgrade my fortress and get a Baron.

[Juvante]

My game started in the year 50. After it reached year 65, the original king and queen died. It for some reason choose one of my random woodcutters to be the queen and it turned my 8 man outpost into the "capital".

Now after the game has reached year 127 and my fort is worth 3.5 million Dwarf Bucks and 30 dwarves I don't know how to upgrade.

I wanted to start getting wagons but I need a baron. What can I do to fix this issue?

I have no intention of starting over, I'll just quit at this point. I've been having fun with my fort regardless but I wanted to have access to the other roles, like dungeon keeper and so on.

Is there nothing I can do? Maybe the barons are at the other sites? Maybe there's a limit so I have to wait for them to die out? Perhaps send messengers to the original site?

[AlP]

This is not a game where you only play one fort without ever starting over.

[Juvante]

Originally posted by AlP:

This is not a game where you only play one fort without ever starting over.

Whether you believe this or that about starting over has nothing to do with my post.

I want to know if I can fix the problem I have or not during this play session. Can I get a baron after what just happened through normal gameplay mechanics?

If you don't know or have nothing helpful to add then go mind your business elsewhere because I'll ignore anything from you in the future otherwise.

[Fel]

You got a queen, the highest nobility title possible, of course you won't get a baron.
Similarly, you are already the capital since you have the queen, so there is no upgrade higher than that.
There is nothing to fix.

Given the numbers for your population, it sounds likely that your civilisation is dead.
8 dwarves after 15 years is unlikely unless it is the case or you had a lot of death.

The only way to "fix" this would be to make a new fort, possibly with a different civilisation that is not dead, get 50+ population, have enough wealth and get a nobility title from the yearly liaison.
But this only happens when your civilisation is doing relatively well, which is evidently not the case for your current one.

[AlP]

Originally posted by Juvante:

Originally posted by AlP:

This is not a game where you only play one fort without ever starting over.

Whether you believe this or that about starting over has nothing to do with my post.

I want to know if I can fix the problem I have or not during this play session. Can I get a baron after what just happened through normal gameplay mechanics?

If you don't know or have nothing helpful to add then go mind your business elsewhere because I'll ignore anything from you in the future otherwise.

I told you that you are playing the wrong game, that was helpful.

[Juvante]

Originally posted by Fel:

You got a queen, the highest nobility title possible, of course you won't get a baron.
Similarly, you are already the capital since you have the queen, so there is no upgrade higher than that.
There is nothing to fix.

Given the numbers for your population, it sounds likely that your civilisation is dead.
8 dwarves after 15 years is unlikely unless it is the case or you had a lot of death.

The only way to "fix" this would be to make a new fort, possibly with a different civilisation that is not dead, get 50+ population, have enough wealth and get a nobility title from the yearly liaison.
But this only happens when your civilisation is doing relatively well, which is evidently not the case for your current one.

I have a total of 3 sites for my civilization. One is my current active site and the other two are 400 population and 300 population. There are 2 baronesses and 3 barons, diplomats, generals, merchants and so on.

So its not technically dead but I guess I will have to abandon and reclaim the fort to get rid of the queen and restart the liason process.

[Empath demon]

I don't think retiring and reclaiming changes the status of a Capital fortress, but if you abandon it will be a ruin and you can start from scratch on the same site. Or you can retire this fort and start a new fort in that world. Or maybe just play a different game if you don't enjoy starting new forts, since that's what this game is, more or less.

[Tanagram]

Sounds like a "Dead/Struggling Civ", actually.

https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Civilization#Dead_and_struggling_civilizations

Basically.... you probably want to try another fort with a different Civ if there is one on your world, or generate a new world with living civilizations.......

Theres no wagons coming, son. I think you got two migrant waves, and that's all youll see

[CaoLex]

I had a civilization that on world generation had only 2 people (and this means that one of them is ruler) and 0 sites.

[SaD-82]

Originally posted by Juvante:

I wanted to start getting wagons but I need a baron. What can I do to fix this issue?

What do you mean with "waggons"? Trade caravans of your civ?
This hasn't something to do with having a baron or not.
There are only three ways to not receive trade caravans of your own civ:
1. You're inhabiting an island with no connection to the mainland of your world in which other civs reside.
2. Your civ is dead.
3. You're the mountain home (king and queen live in your fort).

You're the mountain home - that's the whole issue. Not having no baron.
A baron is just a title that can issue mandates and will f you over - there is a reason why not just a few people tend to order some kind of "accident" happening to any nobles in their fort.

[AlP]

Originally posted by SaD-82:

Originally posted by Juvante:

I wanted to start getting wagons but I need a baron. What can I do to fix this issue?

What do you mean with "waggons"? Trade caravans of your civ?
This hasn't something to do with having a baron or not.
There are only three ways to not receive trade caravans of your own civ:
1. You're inhabiting an island with no connection to the mainland of your world in which other civs reside.
2. Your civ is dead.
3. You're the mountain home (king and queen live in your fort).

You're the mountain home - that's the whole issue. Not having no baron.
A baron is just a title that can issue mandates and will f you over - there is a reason why not just a few people tend to order some kind of "accident" happening to any nobles in their fort.

Wagons do in fact depend on you having a baron.

[SaD-82]

Originally posted by AlP:

Wagons do in fact depend on you having a baron.

Then I will repeat my question again: Which ones?
Because the trade caravans from your home civ don't.

[Fel]

Caravans come to your fort regardless of your fort's status, but they only start to use wagons after you appoint a baron.
Before that, the caravans are only a few merchants, a few pack animals and a few guards (depending on the race for the guards as some races don't bring these).

[SaD-82]

Originally posted by Fel:

but they only start to use wagons after you appoint a baron

Nope - exactly that's the thing.
There are two possibilities for wagons appearing:
1. Have a baron.
OR
2. Be a mountainhome and have your monarch living there.

And as the OP mentioned this

Originally posted by Juvante:

After it reached year 65, the original king and queen died. It for some reason choose one of my random woodcutters to be the queen and it turned my 8 man outpost into the "capital".

it's still unclear what wagons should now approach as he already should receive them through his trade caravans. As, for years already, he is the mountainhome with the monarch living in it.

(The only thing that could have happened: It's a bug. And this I'm trying to find out by asking: Which wagons does he want to have approaching? Besides those he already should have approaching for years in his trade caravans.)

[Fel]

There are no other wagons in the game in the first place, except perhaps if you count the broken wagon you get when embarking.

Not sure why I thought the monarch wouldn't work for the wagon, although they (like the other nobles) need to be alive and having selected the fort as their residence.
Sorry about that part.

[SaD-82]

Originally posted by Fel:

Sorry about that part.

No need for a sorry - DF is complex enough that we all forget sooner or later something about it. Or mix up things. Happens to all of us.