They won't dump..

[harlequin_corps]

I've tried everything. They just WON'T pick up items tagged for dumping.
Hauling is set for gather everything (Animals, Food, Furniture, Bodies, Minerals, Wood)
Refuse and Dumping is set for Gather Refuse and Dump Other Objects
They won't put things tagged for dumping into a Refuse Stockpile
They won't put things tagged for dumping into a Dump Zone. Whether that dump zone is 2+ blocks with an Open Space over a hole in the floor, or 1+ blocks with a Floor.
I can set a Corpse Stockpile/Refuse Stockpile and they will move corpses/bodyparts/bones etc.
But they won't gather other objects and put them into a Refuse Stockpile, A Dump Zone, or a Dump Zone stacked onto a Refuse Stockpile.
I'm trying to work my way through dual tagging a stockpile for things(like clothing) that is also a Refuse Stockpile. But I JUST didn't build my base with that in mind.
What am I doing incorrectly.. what setting am I not clicking.
This is NOT a priority thing. I have let my fortress calm down with only minimal meal/drink prep for years and they still WON'T dump anything, even with multiple types of Refuse/Dump stockpiles/zones available. They just sit around, pray and socialize.
It's not Items that have tasks already assigned, I've gone through and cancelled all taskings on particular items and reset the dump.. Still no movement for months.
I've tried removing all my dumps/refuse stockpiles and just using one.. still nothing. Removed the Refuse stockpile, Tried a Dump Zone.. Still nothing. Rebuilt the stockpiles out in the open on clear space, Rebuilt the stockpiles underground on clear space, dug out rooms just for refuse stockpiles.. still nothing...
They will gradually move items around and into stockpiles that are dual designated but.. i would have to completely rebuild.. restart a new fortress to build with that level of micromanagement in mind.
There is something I'm missing, some key element somewhere.

[Nanoswimz]

Is there items have "no claim" tag? If yes, they refuse to touch these items. Also, never touch hauling/orderlines tags in any dwarf, its should be same from fresh start or you can ruin anything.

[harlequin_corps]

Originally posted by harlequin_corps:

I've gone through and cancelled all taskings on particular items and reset the dump.. Still no movement for months.

[harlequin_corps]

If you are referring to the Lock/Unlock symbol for Forbid and Claim items, and/or the Trashcan symbol for the Dump designation/Cancel Dump Designation then yes, I have.

[Mumbolian]

ive also found dumping to be impossible. IF they surfaced it as a labour like previous versions then it would be fine, but they don't so as long as there is anything in the fortress to haul they won't haul an item marked for dumping.

Refuse is too low priority too, but its got a labour at least.

[AlP]

Is your dump zone outside? Did you change the "dwarves gather outdoor refuse" orders?

[harlequin_corps]

Originally posted by AlP:

Is your dump zone outside? Did you change the "dwarves gather outdoor refuse" orders?

I tried it all 3 ways. Actually technically 24 ways... Outdoor Dump Zone, Underground Dump Zone, Outdoor Stockpile, Underground Stockpile, Outdoor Dump Zone/Stockpile, Underground Dump Zone/Stockpile. I also tried Ignore Outdoor Refuse and Workers Save Objects. I thought that if I set up a all in one stockpile with Refuse equipped and laid a dump zone over it that they would SAVE the item and put it into the all in one, get the advanced wear from the Refuse Pile and be able to stack items from the Dump Zone. So that room is underground. So, I have dump zones up/underground, refuse piles up/underground, a second set of refuse piles up/underground with dump zones on them. I built a Refuse pile on a floor, put a dump zone on it that was 2x1, then removed the floor so it's now open space over a hole, which didn't remove the Refuse stockpile BTW.. I got dump zones on their own, I got 2x1 dump zones over subatomics.. They JUST won't move the items that are, for example BLOCKING THE DAMN DOOR.. to my fortress. and put them somewhere, ANYWHERE..
they move corpses and body parts JUST fine to a Corpse Stockpile... what they DON"T do is grab that item I have selected for dumping and dump it somewhere. They also don't throw the corpses and body parts into the pit either.
I tried the Minecart thing to make a Quantum Stockpile.. Evidently dorfs, although they WILL drag a corpse to a corpse stockpile, they won't, in turn, put a corpse into a minecart. So that didn't work either.

[Sophtopus]

I've read somewhere that you need to designate a "pit" zone next to the dumping grounds for the garbage dump designation to work. You don't need to dig anything. Just use the pit/pond option in the list with the meeting rooms and whatnot.

I did it for mine and the dump never fails anymore. I dunno why it works that way but you can give it a try.

[harlequin_corps]

so right now I have.. I dunno.. lots and lots of different types of piles and zones all over the place. Currently I'm working on a all in one pile. so it just takes EVERYTHING.. I.. just don't care anymore. Just throw everything into it, don't care. It's a refuse pile/Dump zone and that mastercrafted pig tail sock just rotted away.. don't care..
Actually, that's a lie. After I noticed a bit of movement in the pile I disallowed master crafted and artifact items, but that's it.. They throw things into it, if it rots, it rots.. don't care. But they STILL aren't moving that DAMN bucket and that DAMN.. DAMNED mechanism that are blocking the front door..

[harlequin_corps]

Originally posted by Sophtopus:

I've read somewhere that you need to designate a "pit" zone next to the dumping grounds for the garbage dump designation to work. You don't need to dig anything. Just use the pit/pond option in the list with the meeting rooms and whatnot.

I did it for mine and the dump never fails anymore. I dunno why it works that way but you can give it a try.

Hold please...
Wait.. next to? So, If I have a hole in the floor. I designate the HOLE to be a pit zone. a single 1x1. Then on the floor NEXT to the pit I designate another 1x1 dump zone. So they don't overlap next to? or does the dump zone have to overlap the pit zone? You know what.. don't care.. I'll do both and see what works.

[AlP]

Originally posted by Sophtopus:

I've read somewhere that you need to designate a "pit" zone next to the dumping grounds for the garbage dump designation to work.

You don't. All you need is one square of a dump zone anywhere, and dwarves will happily haul items you designate for dumping there.

[harlequin_corps]

They aren't. Hauling dump items that is, happily or otherwise. I don't, however, think it's the dumping zone that is the problem.. There is some other issue going on.

[AlP]

You've posted some overly complicated weird setups before. Most likely you did something simple that breaks everything.

Do your dwarves have hauling labors enabled?

[harlequin_corps]

I think I have part of the solution.. It SUCKS..
Items that are marked for dumping are not dumped.. ONLY items NOT marked for dumping are dumped.
So. Had a guy wandering around in an area that I made a mistake in.. Instead of engraving my dungeon, with the artifact rope for those special prisoners I don't want to lose... I accidently fortified it, right next to one of my old corpse piles.. Slow and behold, there's a dorf wandering around in the corpse pile. What's he doing.. well.. he's hauling a corpse.. Why is he hauling a corpse? because I undumped EVERYTHING except for 3 items in my entire MAP (a bucket, a mechanism, and a pig tail glove)[because they are blocking my doors].. because I need those items moved right? So, ok.. I cleared the status of all the corpses in the corpse pile which is no longer a stockpile because I removed it (it was full, why have a stockpiled room full of corpses when I can just have a roomfull of corpses), anyway.. just now.. And NOW this guy is coming in to move it to one of my dump piles.. Why? Because it's a STOCKPILE.. not a dump zone.
A Corpse pile is a STOCKPILE.. not a dump pile. This means a Refuse pile is a STOCKPILE.. not a dump zone.
So, in order for this to be true the following has to apply.
1. Set an item that you want moved to not be dumped (clear dump designation) and claimed (unlocked/not forbidden)
2. Set a stockpile next to it that will accept that item.
3. Does dorf move item to stockpile Y/N?

Second.
1. Remove ALL the dump zones from the map.
2. Set a similar item to be dumped.
3. Set a dump zone on the floor next to the item the same distance/pathing as the first item.
4. Does dorf move item to dump zone Y/N?

If both are true, then you can test efficiency.. If only the moving to stockpile works then dumping does NOT work.
If both ARE true then..
1. find two items of relatively same weight..
2. pause game, set one to dump and clear tags on the other.
3. Set a stockpile to receive the non dump item..
4. Set a Dump zone at the same distance to the Dump item..
5. Which one gets moved first..

[harlequin_corps]

Originally posted by AlP:

You've posted some overly complicated weird setups before. Most likely you did something simple that breaks everything.

Do your dwarves have hauling labors enabled?

yes, thank you for noticing some of my more particular character traits, you and my wife agree. Yes, everyone is hauling, no special setups.
although.. that custom thing.. the custom labor labeling.. it's puts a big gold ][ for number 1 custom thing.. That's a thing that you could possibly use to find dorfs in the pile of bundles of dorfs in the varied listings of dorfs that you need to find dorfs in. I still think that the Nobles need to have that silver crown thing there, like the wood cutters, miners, barkeeps, medical dorfs, entertainers and such.. It SURE would be handy.

[harlequin_corps]

heh.. I FINALLY fully automated my soap making.. WEEEE!