Help! My 20 miners won't haul stone

[~TAB~ Ry~Guy]

I am doing what is considered a mega project with a three dimensional hold. In order to maintain frame rate I need to atom smash stone every few z levels. My 20+ miners will drop whatever they are doing to carve out rock, but refuse to do anything other than socialize or pray when their labor is restricted to only haul (or even custom haul stone and minecart only). I cannot get more than one or two od them to work while the children do more hauling then they do!

How do I get my 20 miners to target haul an area like they do other jobs? Using the wiki, burrows seemed like the solution yet: unlocked burrows do not force them to work, locked burrows will cancel all haul jobs when they want to pray or drink. If I path the burrow to include getting to the tavern and temple, they will just socialize and never haul

Df hack looked like my best option to just delete the stone but its not out yet. My project has ground to a haul and I've already wasted two seasons trying to get my dwarfs to haul.

Marking the boulders as trash does not get them to haul either as trash is low priority and already is mostly picked up by children

[PootYolo]

Originally posted by ~TAB~ Ry~Guy:

Df hack looked like my best option to just delete the stone but its not out yet. My project has ground to a haul and I've already wasted two seasons trying to get my dwarfs to haul.

There's an alpha version of DFH actually https://github.com/DFHack/dfhack/releases/tag/50.05-alpha1
Otherwise, I also get this trouble where my dwarves likes to pick rocks from the very bottom Z-levels.

[MadAsgardian]

Why do you want your miners hauling? If you need more hauling done, assign more dedicated haulers.

[~TAB~ Ry~Guy]

Originally posted by MadAsgardian:

Why do you want your miners hauling? If you need more hauling done, assign more dedicated haulers.

I am trying to accomplish my dwarf hold in a reasonable amount of time and to not kill my frame rate. To do so effectively, I have a population of 130ish dwarfs. 20% are full time military because my wealth sky rocketed by delving down in such a large amount. 30% maintain the hold with all the activity. Atleast 25% are children. 10ish percent are long term guests. The remaining sum I use to delve down and then clear out.

I have tried selecting only haul but the dwarfs prefer socializing to hauling.

I have had this issue on a small scale before, but on a large scale, this is going to take me 20 in game years of just waiting all because I cannot tell the group to haul items in the same way they will do mining or tree felling jobs

[Helios]

Originally posted by ~TAB~ Ry~Guy:

Originally posted by MadAsgardian:

Why do you want your miners hauling? If you need more hauling done, assign more dedicated haulers.

I am trying to accomplish my dwarf hold in a reasonable amount of time and to not kill my frame rate. To do so effectively, I have a population of 130ish dwarfs. 20% are full time military because my wealth sky rocketed by delving down in such a large amount. 30% maintain the hold with all the activity. Atleast 25% are children. 10ish percent are long term guests. The remaining sum I use to delve down and then clear out.

I have tried selecting only haul but the dwarfs prefer socializing to hauling.

I have had this issue on a small scale before, but on a large scale, this is going to take me 20 in game years of just waiting all because I cannot tell the group to haul items in the same way they will do mining or tree felling jobs

make an extra worksdetail under labor just for stone hauling and give it to your miners.

[BlackSmokeDMax]

Originally posted by Helios:

Originally posted by ~TAB~ Ry~Guy:

I am trying to accomplish my dwarf hold in a reasonable amount of time and to not kill my frame rate. To do so effectively, I have a population of 130ish dwarfs. 20% are full time military because my wealth sky rocketed by delving down in such a large amount. 30% maintain the hold with all the activity. Atleast 25% are children. 10ish percent are long term guests. The remaining sum I use to delve down and then clear out.

I have tried selecting only haul but the dwarfs prefer socializing to hauling.

I have had this issue on a small scale before, but on a large scale, this is going to take me 20 in game years of just waiting all because I cannot tell the group to haul items in the same way they will do mining or tree felling jobs

make an extra worksdetail under labor just for stone hauling and give it to your miners.

Just what I was going to suggest.

I'd take it one step further and set a certain number of your miners as completely dedicated "stone only haulers" so that they keep up with the mining, rather than falling behind and needing to catch back up repeatedly. Make sure those stockpiles have wheel barrows assigned as well.

[~TAB~ Ry~Guy]

Originally posted by BlackSmokeDMax:

Originally posted by Helios:

make an extra worksdetail under labor just for stone hauling and give it to your miners.

Just what I was going to suggest.

I'd take it one step further and set a certain number of your miners as completely dedicated "stone only haulers" so that they keep up with the mining, rather than falling behind and needing to catch back up repeatedly. Make sure those stockpiles have wheel barrows assigned as well.

That's my bug. I force them to that custom work detail and they still sit up at the meeting areas.

That's the reason I went down the burrow rabbit hole

[BlackSmokeDMax]

Originally posted by ~TAB~ Ry~Guy:

Originally posted by BlackSmokeDMax:

Just what I was going to suggest.

I'd take it one step further and set a certain number of your miners as completely dedicated "stone only haulers" so that they keep up with the mining, rather than falling behind and needing to catch back up repeatedly. Make sure those stockpiles have wheel barrows assigned as well.

That's my bug. I force them to that custom work detail and they still sit up at the meeting areas.

That's the reason I went down the burrow rabbit hole

Are you actually having them bring stone to a stockpile setup for stone, or are you dumping the stone and they aren't doing that? It may be a different work detail at that point. Gonna hop in game and look real quick right now.

[Helios]

Originally posted by ~TAB~ Ry~Guy:

Originally posted by BlackSmokeDMax:

Just what I was going to suggest.

I'd take it one step further and set a certain number of your miners as completely dedicated "stone only haulers" so that they keep up with the mining, rather than falling behind and needing to catch back up repeatedly. Make sure those stockpiles have wheel barrows assigned as well.

That's my bug. I force them to that custom work detail and they still sit up at the meeting areas.

That's the reason I went down the burrow rabbit hole

check if you have other workdetails that may include stone hauling.

[~TAB~ Ry~Guy]

Moving rock to a few close by set up quantum stock piles such that I can atom smash with draw bridges

[~TAB~ Ry~Guy]

Update: dwarf fortress hack has exactly what I need but unfortunately is not in the alpha yet. I will just keep carving out the mountain home in hopes of the future patch coming soon.

[Gedsaro]

2 possibilites i can think of that arent bugs.

Is it to dump zones? I have heard that each zone can have only one dwarf running a job for it at a time, so if you only have 1 or 2 zones, you may only have 1 or 2 working at once.

Similarly, if they ate supposed to take the rocks to a stockpile, is it set up to use wheelbarrows? If so, how many?
It used to be true(and may still be?)
That if a stockpile was set up to use them, it could only have as mamy hauling jobs as it has wheelbarrows assigned to it(and when they are assigned the default is 1 )
If this is the case either up the number, or set it to 0

Or it may be a big or something totally differnt.

[AlP]

Originally posted by Gedsaro:

Is it to dump zones? I have heard that each zone can have only one dwarf running a job for it at a time, so if you only have 1 or 2 zones, you may only have 1 or 2 working at once.

That's not true, the entire fort will haul items to the same garbage dump tile at the same time.

[Gedsaro]

Originally posted by AlP:

Originally posted by Gedsaro:

Is it to dump zones? I have heard that each zone can have only one dwarf running a job for it at a time, so if you only have 1 or 2 zones, you may only have 1 or 2 working at once.

That's not true, the entire fort will haul items to the same garbage dump tile at the same time.

Are you sure?
Not saying you are wrong, but I have heard that, and it seemed like it was true while i was playing, though i didnt really *science* it.

Maybe it was if reference to using dumping zones to fill a pond with water using buckets?

Just to be sure, we are both talking about dumping zones right?
Not a 'garbage' stockpile right?

[AlP]

Originally posted by Gedsaro:

Originally posted by AlP:

That's not true, the entire fort will haul items to the same garbage dump tile at the same time.

Are you sure?

Yes, that's how quantum stockpiles work.

[McOrigin]

Originally posted by Gedsaro:

2 possibilites i can think of that arent bugs.

Is it to dump zones? I have heard that each zone can have only one dwarf running a job for it at a time, so if you only have 1 or 2 zones, you may only have 1 or 2 working at once.

Similarly, if they ate supposed to take the rocks to a stockpile, is it set up to use wheelbarrows? If so, how many?
It used to be true(and may still be?)
That if a stockpile was set up to use them, it could only have as mamy hauling jobs as it has wheelbarrows assigned to it(and when they are assigned the default is 1 )
If this is the case either up the number, or set it to 0

Or it may be a big or something totally differnt.

I have a 1x1 dump zone and ALL dwarves will beeline to it when I strip prisoners or designate large amounts of stone to be dumped. Thus multiple dwarves can run for a single garbage dump.

Dumping stone in to a 1x1 dump zone is not "stone hauling" though.
And a stockpile with a set number of wheelbarrows will only allow that amount of dwarves to carry stones to it.

EDIT
Dumping stone to a garbe dump zone requires the dwarves to have "refuse hauling" enabled and is subject to standing orders. Check if you have standing order "ignore refuse" enabled by accident.