Pissing off elves

[AndreasK]

Everyone is talking about angry elves, so I'm just wondering - Is there any way to get wood without making the elves angry? Also, can you appease the elves before they attack? And can you place a fort far enough away from elves where the elves won't notice forest destruction. All these questions give me nightmares...

[Borkentroll]

You could kill them all.

But yes, you could just settle without elves in the neighbourhood.

[McFuzz]

You can freely cut wood until your fort is popular enough to receive non-dwarven visitors. They limit the wood you can cut if they feel you've been clear-cutting frequently.

Don't trade them anything made out of wood; that includes wood storage bins.

Their weapons and armour are trash garbage right now so if you make an enemy of the elves, don't worry too much haha. But it might become a MAJOR problem in the upcoming magic arc.

[AndreasK]

I'm just thinking of making a pacifist first fort, but that's going to be hard if the elves actively seek me out nomatter how far away their home is. Cus' I'm not NOT cutting trees - that would be insane.

[Lemunde]

Honestly the only way to piss off the elves is if you're trying to piss them off. The biggest thing is trading them wood but that just means they'll pack up and not come back for a year. You really have to go out of your way to cut enough trees to make them angry. Sure, after clearing a bit of forest they'll send a representative to limit the number of trees you can cut but it's usually over 100. I can't imagine what you'd be using that much wood for.

[RoosterBoy]

Originally posted by AndreasK:

I'm just thinking of making a pacifist first fort, but that's going to be hard if the elves actively seek me out nomatter how far away their home is. Cus' I'm not NOT cutting trees - that would be insane.

My first fort didn't even have a military because i couldn't figure out the military UI. The fort is now home to a fire-breathing swamp titan that wandered in and roasted everyone.

[The Trashman]

Originally posted by AndreasK:

Everyone is talking about angry elves, so I'm just wondering - Is there any way to get wood without making the elves angry? Also, can you appease the elves before they attack? And can you place a fort far enough away from elves where the elves won't notice forest destruction. All these questions give me nightmares...

To avoid elves entirely, just make sure they aren't neighbours when you embark

I wouldn't worry too much, though, you have to chop down a lot of trees for them to get upset, then they'll send a diplomat to tell you to stop anyway, at which point you can choose to just chop fewer trees down. They also get upset if you trade them goods made of wood, or stored in wooden barrels/bins. Not upset enough to attack outright, but doing this too often will lead to war.

Even if you do fight them, they're not so bad. They show up with wooden armour and weapons, so they're not a huge threat themselves. Their pets, though...

[AndreasK]

Originally posted by RoosterBoy:

Originally posted by AndreasK:

I'm just thinking of making a pacifist first fort, but that's going to be hard if the elves actively seek me out nomatter how far away their home is. Cus' I'm not NOT cutting trees - that would be insane.

My first fort didn't even have a military because i couldn't figure out the military UI. The fort is now home to a fire-breathing swamp titan that wandered in and roasted everyone.

At least you didn't hurt it.

[AndreasK]

Originally posted by Lemunde:

Honestly the only way to piss off the elves is if you're trying to piss them off. The biggest thing is trading them wood but that just means they'll pack up and not come back for a year. You really have to go out of your way to cut enough trees to make them angry. Sure, after clearing a bit of forest they'll send a representative to limit the number of trees you can cut but it's usually over 100. I can't imagine what you'd be using that much wood for.

Wood is cozy. I'm going to be making EVERYTHING out of wood :D

[The Trashman]

Originally posted by AndreasK:

I'm just thinking of making a pacifist first fort, but that's going to be hard if the elves actively seek me out nomatter how far away their home is. Cus' I'm not NOT cutting trees - that would be insane.

A non-combative fort is pretty easy to set up. A raised drawbridge acts as an impassible wall, so with a mechanics workshop producing a couple of mechanisms, a drawbridge and a lever both hooked up, you can bring everyone inside and lock yourselves in if anything nasty shows up. Just make sure the drawbridge raises in the right direction and test that it does lock everything out BEFORE some baddie shows up

[Jyggalag]

Originally posted by Borkentroll:

You could kill them all.

But yes, you could just settle without elves in the neighbourhood.

I love your profile pic...oooh Sheltem...you missing me so much.

[Denture Adventure]

you could offer to trade with the elves, invite them to the trade depot raise the gates on the fort (if you have them ) and slaughter them and steal all their wares, stuff like =+Grown Wooden Chair+= is about all you'll get but they do have some pretty cool animals you can trade for sometimes like Elephants, leopards, panthers and so on which make pretty bad ass war animals for when goblins wanna show up but
i love pisses them off, they show up with all this hippie trinket stuff and i'm like " here's some wooden balls i just had Urist make. "

[AndreasK]

Originally posted by Denture Adventure:

you could offer to trade with the elves, invite them to the trade depot raise the gates on the fort (if you have them ) and slaughter them and steal all their wares, stuff like =+Grown Wooden Chair+= is about all you'll get but they do have some pretty cool animals you can trade for sometimes like Elephants, leopards, panthers and so on which make pretty bad ass war animals for when goblins wanna show up but
i love pisses them off, they show up with all this hippie trinket stuff and i'm like " here's some wooden balls i just had Urist make. "

And this is why DF is a great game :D

[Schischkrote_der_echte]

Originally posted by Lemunde:

Honestly the only way to piss off the elves is if you're trying to piss them off. The biggest thing is trading them wood but that just means they'll pack up and not come back for a year. You really have to go out of your way to cut enough trees to make them angry. Sure, after clearing a bit of forest they'll send a representative to limit the number of trees you can cut but it's usually over 100. I can't imagine what you'd be using that much wood for.

Y'know Like burning witches or Something that i would probably Not so.

[Crazy Belette]

Pissing off Elves is a national dwarven sport !

They also wear wooden armor and weapons and are pretty allergic to sweet sweet magma.