Will there be support for multiple languages?

[晨光暮曲]

Will there be support for multiple languages?

[Arsat]

The fact is that other similar games with a similar content that sell for the same price also manage to bring the most important languages.

Of course, everyone likes to play in his native language. Alone because 1:1 translate also often makes no sense. That you have to discuss that every time... rather testifies to the inability to comprehend that !

Who has only a little bit with the stats dealt (or indie developers, publishers know) knows that more languages in GOOD! titles also bring extremely more sales figures.

and yes, even if many do not believe that... Germans in particular buy a lot and prefer to buy in their native language. In Eu comparison, the Germans are with or the best buyers...

i.e. German, Russian, Spanish, Chinese, French and more are minimum languages that a title should have nowadays (except English).

A 0815 Shooter of course not, but the more text of the do more also make more languages...

PS : who now thinks... But how do you know... read the (...) and understand the content and use google. thanks !

PPS : In addition, you can make it easier for the community to translate games themselves or offer incentives to do so or you stay stuck in the year 2000 and don't develop further !

Edit : and yes I am annoyed by the topic... on the one hand from the arrogance "then better learn english" and that people know zero the stats but have to have an "opinion" ... grrr

[Cain]

Vieleicht ist es schwierig, weil der Text zu tief im Code versteckt ist, aber unmöglich scheint es nicht zu sein, warum ist die russische Übersetzung unter Transifex schon fertig ?
Entweder ist es Unvermögen, was ich nicht glaube, sondern einfach nur zuviel Arbeit .
Leute, der Markt bestimmt wie das gehandhabt wird und das seid Ihr.
Wenn da kein Echo zurückkommt, Ihr Euch weiter gängeln lässt sei es mit DENUVO oder wenn die Kids wie hier Euch vorschlagen, doch Suaheli zu lernen , weil gerade ein Kenianer irgendein Spiel nicht lokalisiert, dann wird sich das NIE ändern.
Wenn Euch eine Hose nicht passt kauft Ihr Sie doch auch nicht oder doch?

[Drake the Snake]

I am willing to pay 30€ for the game as soon as it is in German. Before that I will not buy it.

[big_bopper]

Hallo,

ich spiele seit 1988 PC-Spiele. Die Microprose-Simulationen, die Ultima Serie, RPGs noch und noch. Harpoon mit seinen Fachbegriffen! Alle in englisch, damals gabs nix deutsches und man hat sich durchgebissen! Aber die Erde hat sich weitergedreht, und im Jahre 2022 sollte es möglich sein multilingual zu programmieren. Andere können das auch, sogar Steam!

Wie heißt es so schön: Games as a service. Da gehört Lokalisation dazu.

Ich möchte mich beim spielen entspannen und nicht erst mal Texte übersetzen müssen, obwohl mein English gut ist, spielt es sich in deutsch halt angenehmer.

Für die English-Muttersprachler, wie wärs mit dem absoluten Must-Play-Game nur in deutsch oder französisch, chinesisch und russisch wären auch nicht schlecht! Wetten das Gejammer wäre groß?

Normalerweise schreibe ich meine Posts in deutsch und englisch, heute mal nicht!
Weil wir nicht English-Muttersprachler sollen ja englisch lernen. Also für die nicht Deutschsprechenden lernt Deutsch.

Ich würde das Spiel sofort kaufen, ich warte da schon lange drauf. Aber ohne deutsche Lokalisation, keine Chance!

Gute Nacht!

Normaly I translate my posts in englisch, but not this one. You englisch speaking people
wrote, learn englisch to play the game. OK. so learn german to read my post!


PS
in Germany it calls englisch, not english! (For the nitpickers)

[LaChouette]

Messaggio originale di big_bopper:

Hallo,

ich spiele seit 1988 PC-Spiele. Die Microprose-Simulationen, die Ultima Serie, RPGs noch und noch. Harpoon mit seinen Fachbegriffen! Alle in englisch, damals gabs nix deutsches und man hat sich durchgebissen! Aber die Erde hat sich weitergedreht, und im Jahre 2022 sollte es möglich sein multilingual zu programmieren. Andere können das auch, sogar Steam!

Wie heißt es so schön: Games as a service. Da gehört Lokalisation dazu.

Ich möchte mich beim spielen entspannen und nicht erst mal Texte übersetzen müssen, obwohl mein English gut ist, spielt es sich in deutsch halt angenehmer.

Für die English-Muttersprachler, wie wärs mit dem absoluten Must-Play-Game nur in deutsch oder französisch, chinesisch und russisch wären auch nicht schlecht! Wetten das Gejammer wäre groß?

Normalerweise schreibe ich meine Posts in deutsch und englisch, heute mal nicht!
Weil wir nicht English-Muttersprachler sollen ja englisch lernen. Also für die nicht Deutschsprechenden lernt Deutsch.

Ich würde das Spiel sofort kaufen, ich warte da schon lange drauf. Aber ohne deutsche Lokalisation, keine Chance!

Gute Nacht!

Normaly I translate my posts in englisch, but not this one. You englisch speaking people
wrote, learn englisch to play the game. OK. so learn german to read my post!


PS
in Germany it calls englisch, not english! (For the nitpickers)

The issue is, as plenty have said in this thread already, that you'd need to heavily modify the game's code for things to work in another language. Since you wrote in German, I'll give examples in my native French.

In DF, an iron sword is not "iron sword", it's "iron"+"sword" ([MATERIAL] [WEAPON]). This way, if one of your dwarves ever makes an artifact sword out of capybara man bone, there's no need to have capybara man bone swords in the game, just change the [MATERIAL]. In French, we would say épée en fer for iron sword. But just translating the game, we would get fer épée.

There's plenty of similar issues. If your civilization is "The Crimson Trumpets", in French, it would become Les Trompettes Cramoisies. Notice already how Crimson and Trumpets swapped. But that's not the worst of it! For if your civilization was "The Crimson Trumpet", in French it would become La Trompette Cramoisie. The translations for the words "crimson" and even "the" have changed! That would mean making an entire new system for only a few language, because English is very simple and straightforward on that front and other languages (including German which is, I believe, even guiltier than French on that front).

One last example. You've got a dwarf. They're a tall dwarf. In English, depending on their gender, you would get "He is tall" or "She is tall". Quite simple, the word tall never changes, therefore the game doesn't even have to check the dwarf's gender. But in French, we would translate tall to grand for a male dwarf and to grande for a female dwarf.


The UI and the tutorials, as text that never changes, can be translated. Quite easily. We'll probably see mods for that soon enough. But the core of the game cannot be translated without a huge amount of work, lest you get a broken translation, despite every single word being translated correctly.

[Funk Carioca]

Messaggio originale di Borkentroll:

No it's not weird. Because the two people developing DF are native English speakers and do not have the money to buy in a lot of translators. And please do not refer to some online translator. They are nice to have to get a certain understanding of some forum post in another language, but otherwise they are crap.

There are mods to get language support, but as far as I know none of them is really good because of how the game creates texts. A modder would have to rewrite quite a bit of code to change that - provided they somehow get to the code first.

Why not improve your English?

Wow where to even begin. first of all i want to congratulate you!


on being an huuuuuge hole that is attached to one's rear.

Why not improve your attitude? my dwarfs have fought 3 eyed demons with more manners and intelligence than you! Go back to the cave and century you belong to. Someone asking a question about localization IS NOT an open invitation to spread your anglocentrism. The next anti-social dwarf that migrates to my fortress is going to get your steam name as a nickname and be dropped into lava. Just to commemorate your awfulness.

[Funk Carioca]

Messaggio originale di Borkentroll:

Messaggio originale di Clowny Cobalt:

Well my apologies, I know DF has some complicated structure under the hood, so that makes sense. I mostly just took offence with Borkentroll's suggestion of just learning another language being the solution.

And that's why I suggested improving ones own language skills might be the better and less time consuming solution.

Next time keep your f*cked up suggestions to yourself. First of all, this is NOT what you suggested. If you had said: "you would have an easier time learning english than changing the language DF is in" I would have said nothing and would have been right there with you. It is NOT what you said. Your inner self leaked through. Oops! Freudian slip! Instead your worldview aquifer flooded your words. And boy oh boy it ain't pretty. At best you are completely oblivious of your privilege and ignorant of your high horse. At worst, you are a racist scumbag. Either way someone needs to call you out.

[Funk Carioca]

Messaggio originale di Arsat:

Edit : and yes I am annoyed by the topic... on the one hand from the arrogance "then better learn english"

you are not alone in thinking that.

[Yerc2]

It is very common for small indie games that show even less profits to have support for multiple languages.

The game's development is definitely substandard in this regard.
But if that's not a priority of a the devs, what can ya do.

[Funk Carioca]

Messaggio originale di Borkentroll:

if all that really want to play the game just could learn some basic English.

My friend, You might speak english but you do not understand it very well.

als jij alleen maar gewoon NL kon verstaan. Je zou mij dan kunnen begrijpen zonder een vertaler te gebruiken. Misschien dringt het zo door hoe onintelligent jij eigenlijk bent. Ik spreek 4 talen. Hoeveel spreek jij? Mensen in de Oudheid hadden meer verstand van zaken dan jou. Jij hebt geen excuus. Kruip terug naar het gat van waar je kwam. Steek je hoofd in de grond en doe er wat zand op. Je kan duidelijk de echtheid van de wereld niet aan. Letterlijk. Je denkt met je hersenstam en alleen met je hersenstam.

[atheist]

Give the community a tool to translate the game if you can't.
If your game is made on some kind of engine that does not support translation, you are a fool.

[AlP]

Messaggio originale di atheist:

Give the community a tool to translate the game if you can't.
If your game is made on some kind of engine that does not support translation, you are a fool.

The "engine" that the game is built on, is called "English Grammar". You can't translate English Grammar to other languages, you have to make the entire game in other languages from scratch.

[Funk Carioca]

Messaggio originale di AlP:

Messaggio originale di atheist:

Give the community a tool to translate the game if you can't.
If your game is made on some kind of engine that does not support translation, you are a fool.

The "engine" that the game is built on, is called "English Grammar". You can't translate English Grammar to other languages, you have to make the entire game in other languages from scratch.

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it might not be ideal or a perfect translation. Some languages would be harder to do...

but if I can understand broken google translate text, a little wonky text in a game is totally fine. Not only that but "english grammar" can be translated to other languages. For instance: "IRON + SWORD" would be "IJZEREN + ZWAARD" in dutch. A perfect translation. French would be not be a perfect translation but it would be understandable. MUCH more understandable to someone who does not speak english at all. I rest my case.

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[晨光暮曲]

Messaggio originale di AlP:

Messaggio originale di Clowny Cobalt:

I think it'd be nice if Kitfox helped the Tarn brothers with translation somewhere down the road, as it'll bring Dwarf Fortress to an extremely wider audience.

You fail to understand that this game is not translateable. There is no text that can be simply changed into another language. It uses procedural language constructs that cannot be translated.

Instead of translating it, you would need to create an entirely new procedural language in Chinese, German or whatever language you want to play in. That involves completely rewriting a huge part of the game's code to make it work.

The reality is that the previous free version was indeed Sinicized by fans in China, and the effect was not bad.

[Arcanua]

The devs already made a post about it not being a thing, the engine literally has problems with non english characters and the only way to fix that would be to change the engine or rewrite it which would then need EVERYTHING else rewritten first. The game has too much text in it too not even accounting for the dwarvish that it generates on its own.