Dwarf Fortress

Dwarf Fortress

Baskert Mar 13, 2019 @ 12:48pm
Dwarf Fortress or RimWorld?
I've always been fascinated by the stories that come out of this game, and with Dwarf Fortress finally launching on Steam with an official graphics pack, I am anxious to finally try and get into this colony management genre.

Since I don't have enough time to play both, I am trying to decide between starting with this or RimWorld. By all accounts both are amazing games, but I'm sure they each have certain strengths or cater to particular preferences. Can anyone recommend why to choose one over the other?
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Raxo Mar 13, 2019 @ 12:55pm 
i would play dwarf fort to be honest
Nox Mar 13, 2019 @ 12:59pm 
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This is not an either or proposition sir.
Satoru Mar 13, 2019 @ 1:01pm 
I mean obviously here you're gonna get a skew towards DF since well its the DF forums so yeah.

http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/index.html

You can always download the existing game for free. The paid version will be basically the same thing but with fancy graphics. Aka the comforts of modern gaming will not be there. Caves of Qud is another game in a similar vein as well, aka has 'modern' graphics but is very much "old school" controls


Rimworld is sort of a spiritual successor to DF. And its more accessible via modern QOL things
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waffles Mar 13, 2019 @ 1:02pm 
Dwarf Fortress came out before Rimworld and has more content overall. But from what I've heard Rimworld is also pretty good on its own right. I've played Dwarf Fortress and massively enjoyed it, however I haven't played Rimworld so I can't say much on it other than its based on Dwarf Fortress.
Neonivek Mar 13, 2019 @ 1:03pm 
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Rimworld is a complete experience with a developer who genuinely cares about the community.

Dwarf Fortress is sort of in development hell, is rather incomplete, and a developer who has politically policed his community before. (Might have contributed to this need to go onto Steam)

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But Dwarf Fortress is going to be free, it is worth playing a few times. Its biggest issues is that it never thinks through its gameplay.

Rimworld has less "Content" but it uses that lack of fluff to focus on a great experience.

My tip for Dwarf Fortress is: Read a guide... it will just... be a lot less painful. You don't HAVE to read a guide for Rimworld for a smooth experience though.
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Sham Mar 13, 2019 @ 1:06pm 
Depends what you want.

So far, Rimworld doesn't have any single player adventure nonsense. Dwarf Fortress has done a really good job, even letting you explore the "ruins" of your old fortress mode saves. The mods and community are also different.

If you're looking for micro-managing stuff but are new to this sort of genre, Rimworld.
Dwarf Fortress is good for if you're ready to advance and have terrible, terrible things happen to you.
Minecraft is a good contender if you just like the idea of building elaborate hedge mazes for things to walk in and die to.
Polarbark Mar 13, 2019 @ 1:07pm 
I love both!

They each have pretty different meta. Rimworld is actually more difficult to me, but I hide behind many traps!

(Still, the scale and complexity of Dwarf Fortress is just unmatched)
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Neonivek Mar 13, 2019 @ 1:10pm 
Originally posted by Sham:
Dwarf Fortress is good for if you're ready to advance and have terrible, terrible things happen to you..

Played properly Dwarf Fortress is far far easier. So don't worry about that, just do what the community does and hug the guides.

Most of the difficulty comes from execution.
D Dawg Mar 13, 2019 @ 1:13pm 
Both games, although visually similar, are waaay different, but great in their own right
PhaseDB Mar 13, 2019 @ 1:14pm 
Dwarf Fortress has been in development since 2002 (since 2006 consistently), and has an insane amount of intricate procedural systems that create your sandbox to explore and enjoy.

You can create worlds with a 1000 years of history, with millions of historical events and artifacts that you can track from owner to owner with their own stories.

At the moment it's problem lies in its intricacy, because of bugs and a development focus that is still on adding systems and content, in stead of optimization or UI refining for example. Still, I find it very playable, most game breaking bugs get fixed, but you just have to invest some time in learning the game. If you get through that, play time and enjoyment you can get from DF is limitless in my opinion.

Personally, I was kinda done with Rimworld pretty quickly weirdly enough, whilst it's a great game.
Neonivek Mar 13, 2019 @ 1:14pm 
I just found out that Dwarf Fortress will be 20 dollars...

RIMWORLD!!! Flat out Rimworld!

"You can create worlds with a 1000 years of history, with millions of historical events and artifacts that you can track from owner to owner with their own stories."

Yes but as always the issue is Dwarf Fortress can simulate a billion years of things, but zero things of significance. It makes the thing Dwarf Fortress does best noise.
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D Dawg Mar 13, 2019 @ 1:16pm 
Originally posted by Neonivek:
I just found out that Dwarf Fortress will be 20 dollars...

RIMWORLD!!! Flat out Rimworld!
DF is still free on the main website ;)
rusty_dragon Mar 13, 2019 @ 1:25pm 
Oh, a well made-up troll thread. Let's create Rimworld vs Dwarf Fortress brainless and pointless holywar. :cozyspaceengineersa:
Someone has no games to play.
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thegreatpl Mar 13, 2019 @ 1:35pm 
Note; I've played both, but not in years.

Dwarf Fortress is pretty much the origin of the genre. Minecraft, Prison Architecht and Rimworld itself all cite it as inspiration. It aims to be a complete fantasy simulation, simulating every minute detail. If you want the more in depth experience, Dwarf Fortress will give it.

At the same time... I recall hearing a friend say, paraphrased, "Tarn Adams needs to be hit over the head with an interface design book". All those options, which are accessed using numerous menus and submenus, all of which using keys. When I last played it, several years ago, mouse support was minumal to non-existant.

Rimworld, while having fewer features, has a decent interface, actual graphics, and music (well, more than one song on continous repeat). This release here will change two of those, admittantly.

My view is that Dwarf Fortress has more features, more ways to go wrong, more !!FUN!! (Dwarf Fortress motto; losing is fun. !! denotes something on fire). At the same time, you will need to consult manuals to figure out how to do things. Rimworld will be easier to get into, but provide less options. Rimworld is also a complete game, currently at version 1. Dwarf Fortress is said to not be complete for the next 20 years. Both are playable, however.

I guess it would depend on how hard you want your first intro into the genre to be. Rimworld will be easier to get into, while Dwarf Fortress will provide complexity and content. Another point is that this version of Dwarf Fortress has no official release date yet. They are going to finish the next release, then implement the required changes, so it will likely be a few months yet at minimum.
Techbane #FreeHK Mar 13, 2019 @ 1:36pm 
It seems kinda polarizing. If you like one you won't necessarily like the other, but you can at least try DF for free.

I'd also argue that DF feels more feature-complete even in the middle of its 30-ish year development map than RW does in its "finished" state. Version numbers are only numbers, development time and aptitude are much muddier factors than "0.44.12" can really sum up (although, Toady's aptitude definitely isn't in interface design). Just look at Factorio.
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