Is there any secondary weapon that can use silencer?

[UltimateWire]

Thanks!

[Buck Fiden]

nope and it makes no sense in a game like this.

[UltimateWire]

Ein? what?


A stealth game with secondary weapon with silencer makes no sense?

[Stan]

Only snipers and pistols can use silencers. There is no rifles with silencer.

[BOT Cecil]

Originally posted by UltimateWire:

Ein? what?


A stealth game with secondary weapon with silencer makes no sense?

Yes. It maintains a balance to the game. You can have your silenced sniper rifle, silenced pistol and throwing knifes. More than enough tools for stealth. Your secondary weapon is for when ♥♥♥♥ hits the fan.

[Buck Fiden]

Originally posted by UltimateWire:

Ein? what?


A stealth game with secondary weapon with silencer makes no sense?

no I mean it makes no sense that they don't have silencers

[Waiting to Visit Japan (^.-)]

I'm still trying to decide about purchasing but the OPTION to suppress a secondary is nice.

TLDR: I own an actual HK416, HK MP5 and HK45T that are all suppressed.
I've NEVER met any shooter that shot a suppressed weapon but preferred to go without.
If you can suppress, you do. A professional assassin would suppress.

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Given the "Contracts" aspect of this episode of the series, suppression seems wise.

My HK MP5 suppressed is an excellent "secondary".
To get the least noise, I use subsonic ammo (158 grain 9mm).
The bolt cycling makes more noise than the report of the bullet.

Subsonic ammo avoids the "crack" of a round going supersonic.
But, of course, it has less velocity and less energy.

Unless the opposition is wearing body armor the suppressed MP5 will allow you to deal with multiple in-close threats extremely well (without the noise).
So a suppressed secondary really does make sense.

And what if you expect the opposition will be wearing body armor? For me, HK 416.

IF you shoot full power (supersonic) rounds through a suppressor you still get some sound reduction but it's not optimal. Is it enough? Well, it won't "hide" you as well but there are other benefits to suppression that make it worthwhile.

The US Marines are experimenting with entire platoons carrying the M27 (HK 416) suppressed. It's not to make them "stealthy". It's to enhance communication and control.
For them, the M27 is their main weapon. But the point is the same. Suppression has value.

Therefore, suppression not only keeps YOUR position more difficult to detect, it also is easier on your senses (which is a definite advantage).

As I mentioned earlier... in THIS episode of the series... you are an experienced "hired gun". It's your profession. You would have the money to equip ALL your firearms with suppression. It's difficult to justify why you would not.

.

[Stan]

Originally posted by Me:

I'm still trying to decide about purchasing but the OPTION to suppress a secondary is nice.

TLDR: I own an actual HK416, HK MP5 and HK45T that are all suppressed.
I've NEVER met any shooter that shot a suppressed weapon but preferred to go without.
If you can suppress, you do. A professional assassin would suppress.

----------

Given the "Contracts" aspect of this episode of the series, suppression seems wise.

My HK MP5 suppressed is an excellent "secondary".
To get the least noise, I use subsonic ammo (158 grain 9mm).
The bolt cycling makes more noise than the report of the bullet.

Subsonic ammo avoids the "crack" of a round going supersonic.
But, of course, it has less velocity and less energy.

Unless the opposition is wearing body armor the suppressed MP5 will allow you to deal with multiple in-close threats extremely well (without the noise).
So a suppressed secondary really does make sense.

And what if you expect the opposition will be wearing body armor? For me, HK 416.

IF you shoot full power (supersonic) rounds through a suppressor you still get some sound reduction but it's not optimal. Is it enough? Well, it won't "hide" you as well but there are other benefits to suppression that make it worthwhile.

The US Marines are experimenting with entire platoons carrying the M27 (HK 416) suppressed. It's not to make them "stealthy". It's to enhance communication and control.
For them, the M27 is their main weapon. But the point is the same. Suppression has value.

Therefore, suppression not only keeps YOUR position more difficult to detect, it also is easier on your senses (which is a definite advantage).

As I mentioned earlier... in THIS episode of the series... you are an experienced "hired gun". It's your profession. You would have the money to equip ALL your firearms with suppression. It's difficult to justify why you would not.

.

Because this is a game and having all your weapons with suppression would make it too easy?

[Metal Izanagi]

Originally posted by Stan:

Originally posted by Me:

I'm still trying to decide about purchasing but the OPTION to suppress a secondary is nice.

TLDR: I own an actual HK416, HK MP5 and HK45T that are all suppressed.
I've NEVER met any shooter that shot a suppressed weapon but preferred to go without.
If you can suppress, you do. A professional assassin would suppress.

----------

Given the "Contracts" aspect of this episode of the series, suppression seems wise.

My HK MP5 suppressed is an excellent "secondary".
To get the least noise, I use subsonic ammo (158 grain 9mm).
The bolt cycling makes more noise than the report of the bullet.

Subsonic ammo avoids the "crack" of a round going supersonic.
But, of course, it has less velocity and less energy.

Unless the opposition is wearing body armor the suppressed MP5 will allow you to deal with multiple in-close threats extremely well (without the noise).
So a suppressed secondary really does make sense.

And what if you expect the opposition will be wearing body armor? For me, HK 416.

IF you shoot full power (supersonic) rounds through a suppressor you still get some sound reduction but it's not optimal. Is it enough? Well, it won't "hide" you as well but there are other benefits to suppression that make it worthwhile.

The US Marines are experimenting with entire platoons carrying the M27 (HK 416) suppressed. It's not to make them "stealthy". It's to enhance communication and control.
For them, the M27 is their main weapon. But the point is the same. Suppression has value.

Therefore, suppression not only keeps YOUR position more difficult to detect, it also is easier on your senses (which is a definite advantage).

As I mentioned earlier... in THIS episode of the series... you are an experienced "hired gun". It's your profession. You would have the money to equip ALL your firearms with suppression. It's difficult to justify why you would not.

.

Because this is a game and having all your weapons with suppression would make it too easy?

It shouldn't make it too easy though. A suppressed assault rifle would still make a lot of noise if you're not using subsonic ammunition with the suppressor. The rounds would still "crack" in the air and the bullet impacts would be pretty noticeable. Without subsonic rounds, a suppressor on something like an assault rifle does not make it silent. It makes it sound like a firearm of a lower caliber. Less noticeable from a distance, but still capable of alerting anyone paying even a bit of attention in the area around you.

[Waiting to Visit Japan (^.-)]

Originally posted by Metal Izanagi:

It shouldn't make it too easy though. A suppressed assault rifle would still make a lot of noise if you're not using subsonic ammunition with the suppressor. The rounds would still "crack" in the air and the bullet impacts would be pretty noticeable. Without subsonic rounds, a suppressor on something like an assault rifle does not make it silent. It makes it sound like a firearm of a lower caliber. Less noticeable from a distance, but still capable of alerting anyone paying even a bit of attention in the area around you.

This.

That is why the term "silencer" is not used by real shooters. The device does not "silence".

For comparison see this chart. Different charts have slightly different values but focus on the magnitude of "suppressed" vs not.

As mentioned above, an assault rifle (5.56 mm) without a suppressor is still loud.

https://www.silencercentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Silencer_Sound_Comparsion_chart.pdf

Keep in mind that 140 dB is considered the upper limit for "hearing safe" (unprotected).

A dish breaking or a jackhammer is about 130 dB. A garbage disposal is about 60 dB.

[Buck Fiden]

cracks me up all of the weapons experts on here that haven't seen daylight in 5 years

[BOT Cecil]

Originally posted by Metal Izanagi:

Originally posted by Stan:

Because this is a game and having all your weapons with suppression would make it too easy?

It shouldn't make it too easy though. A suppressed assault rifle would still make a lot of noise if you're not using subsonic ammunition with the suppressor. The rounds would still "crack" in the air and the bullet impacts would be pretty noticeable. Without subsonic rounds, a suppressor on something like an assault rifle does not make it silent. It makes it sound like a firearm of a lower caliber. Less noticeable from a distance, but still capable of alerting anyone paying even a bit of attention in the area around you.

Yeah but this is a game. Simulating something like that would confuse the crap out of most players. The forum would be filled with "Silencer bug: enemies still hear my shots" topics. So, the easier way out is to not allow suppressors on rifles. After all this isn't ARMA, so no need for such detailed simulation.

[JovianStone]

The devs made using a rifle almost useless. Not being able to use a suppressor is one thing, but the overly exaggerated swaying makes it nearly immposible to accurately hit your target, unless it's 10 meters away.

[Stan]

Sniper for long distance, rifle in close range, pistol for sneaking.
Rifle with silencer = Rush all the maps.
Did that couple times in previous ghost warriors, it would work here too if this would happen.
I like it with out silencer since sniping is the whole point in this game.

[JovianStone]

I agree, it would add more replayability to the game. Something else thats funny, if you add a laser sight to a rifle the laser moves just a little bit up and down, but when you ADS, the sights go nuts!

[Metal Izanagi]

Originally posted by teakwood1975:

cracks me up all of the weapons experts on here that haven't seen daylight in 5 years

You're not contributing to the discussion at all, so why say something?