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Cosmic Frog Oct 17, 2022 @ 9:55am
Missing Something
So far I love the game but...I must be missing something.
I'm playing with a friend and we have died so much it is becoming ridiculous.
We figured that once we got better weapons and armor that would change. It hasn't.

I'm playing an archer role and am using the bee armor and the crossbow along with the relevant mutations.
My friend is playing the tank role and is using his shield pretty effectively. Think he is wearing the ladybug armor.

We do OK if we only have one foe but even then, one missed block and he is dead and I follow shortly thereafter. Then a nice run to get our bags where we may die two or three times just trying to get back only to find the mosquito or whatever killed us hovering right over our bags ready to kill us again. Often, we have almost killed bug number one only to have his friends show up and wipe us out.

Once we have our gear back then we go through a game session or two hunting easier stuff to repair our armor or to craft replacement arrows etc. Then we try a different area and are met with a different bug but the same results. Rinse and repeat.

We are on medium difficulty. I suppose we can change it to easy or switch to not loosing anything when you die but I hate to nerf the game. I don't mind a challenge but I'm at a loss as to what we are doing wrong.

Sadly, bugs glitching and getting stuck is where we are seeing our success.

Thoughts?
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Hoodzy Oct 17, 2022 @ 10:05am 
this seems to be more and more the case of the way people are playing this game. Roles and not balanced. There is a meta and on the harder difficulties, the game is completely unforgiving. I play mostly on single player where I can pause the game to switch gears but this game was made for multiplayer but punishes multiplayers the most.
Jaggid Edje Oct 17, 2022 @ 10:09am 
The trick is to get very good at blocking/parrying. You take 0 damage if you perfect block an attack.
And carry a stack of smoothies (made with muscle sprouts as the base) for when you fail at that. Farming the ingredients for a stack of green machine is super fast, and very few things in the game should be one shotting you, so having the smoothies (healing potions) should be more than enough to keep you from dying.

I also noticed you mentioned arrows, so I hope you are not relying just on a bow rather than taking advantage of enemy weaknesses. This also would be part of your issue if you are not doing it.
Last edited by Jaggid Edje; Oct 17, 2022 @ 10:11am
TyresTyco Oct 17, 2022 @ 10:18am 
The game is balanced around perfect parry and the use of weapons the enemies are weak to. It's a bit more complicated with elements later but it mainly is club dmg for beetle types.. sword/slash dmg against spider types and stabbing/spear/arrows against everything else. Peeping them and looking for the actual weaknesses is pretty much required. I'm also getting my butt kicked at the beginning of the game on medium.

Mild is to easy to be satisfying and medium is a tad bit to hard but eh. Learning to perfect block .. it is.
Last edited by TyresTyco; Oct 17, 2022 @ 10:20am
There are some areas where the chaos can become overwhelming, due to the wild nature of some bugs and their random travel paths. Upper yard can sometimes be pretty forgiving and easy for example, and sometimes while fighting an ox beetle two or three fire ants will randomly just happen by and now you have an exponentially more dangerous situation that might be worth just fleeing from. But you can also try to get the ox beetle to hit the ants with a rock or a charge and they might just help you kill it instead (though if they survive you have to finish them off).

Armor and weapon upgrading is very important, but the most important thing is learning to perfect block - at least the tank. If he's parrying well, he should be good to go and there's a badge trinket that will make that even better. I'd also recommend he focus on a weapon that has good stun, at least to get a stun and then he can swap to better damage or whatever, then back for another stun. But you, if you're going ranged, have to be good at swapping back to melee with your shield or whatever and blocking also, in case you happen to pull aggro, or you're both fighting multiple bugs. Use the hotswap button to swap back and forth (default is Q iirc) from your last equipped melee/shield and your bow. Furthermore, bringing multiple melee weapons (not including tools, aside from dagger since those are both good weapons and underwater tools ofc) - different bugs have different weaknesses, including to arrows in general (though the special arrows, like gas, can be great in nearly all situations). Also worth maybe bringing along the stuff to repair the main weapon, and likely shield too, at least once, for any big fight you plan to do. Keep mutation swapping situationally in mind also.

Get every milk molar you can pretty fast as well, and mostly upgrade your HP and Stamina with them (and the mutation slots as well, prioritize those, expensive as it is). Resource stacking is also great for the golden molars. I wouldn't worry about HP regen and so on until you get your base stats up, there's enough instant healing items that you don't need to have regen as a focus - green machine smoothie is great for this and easy to make, and even just cooked foods (not jerky) heal a lot instantly (put them on your hotbar, even though they don't stack in the inventory they will have the count stacked on the hotbar, so you don't have to keep putting one on it every time you use one or whatever). Bandage is almost better used before starting a fight, just to have extra regen, and just use cooked food and smoothies to heal (or healbasas if you don't mind fighting mosquitos). I'd also put off arrow stack size and things like that until later as well, the base level is good enough.

Food buffs are great but I've never found myself having to depend on them (and thus never motivated to grind for them), but they're worth keeping in mind for deep dives into labs and boss fights and situations like that. I would focus on healing as the primary goal of food, at least until you have acquired a ton of mats to throw into food already.
Last edited by Ǵ̶͓̂͑lí̴̤̀̄́tcĥ̸; Oct 17, 2022 @ 10:37am
MRV1N Oct 17, 2022 @ 10:46am 
playing on whoa mode with a friend as soon we reached full t3 gear +5 or above,the game felt way way waaaaaaay easier than before.So i assume its a player problem not the game.However he is a archer and i play the tank/melee.
I forgot to mention dont go anywhere with proper healing,like smoothies/bandage and cooked meat.
Last edited by MRV1N; Oct 17, 2022 @ 10:47am
blackphoenixx Oct 17, 2022 @ 12:04pm 
You're not blocking.

The difference between dying and not dying when playing on medium is hitting the block button before the bugs hit you (and facing in the right direction of course).
If your friend is dying on medium in ladybug armor he's definitely NOT using his shield effectively. Or at all, really, because otherwise he would not be dying.

When you're wearing ladybug armor you don't HAVE to parry. That's what the pieces give you blocking strength for.
You just have to get your shield up in time, and if you can't manage that the only option is practice or lowering the difficulty to mild so you can just facetank unblocked attacks.

Also there is no such thing as a "archer role" in this game. Your role is dps and plenty of bugs resist stabbing damage. Being dps also doesn't mean you don't have to learn blocking.

As for what you can do to make it easier - aside from smoothies which have already been mentioned - is milk molar upgrades. Even just the first health and healing upgrades already turn a potential oneshot into something you can survive and heal from.
Last edited by blackphoenixx; Oct 17, 2022 @ 12:14pm
mr_pan7s Oct 17, 2022 @ 12:17pm 
the red ant club is best weapon until you get to tier 3 in my opinion. seems like it don't matter if a stabby sword is more effective against a certain bug when the ant club does so much damage at base anyway. blocking is key. the game felt the same way to me as you are describing until i got ladybug armor, and started blocking. i almost thought my friend switched difficulties on me to an easier one. black ant sword and shield will eat a mosquito for breakfast. antlion greatsword will kill almost everything after the red ant club.
Zedd Oct 17, 2022 @ 12:23pm 
What might also work is to approach the whole concept slightly differently. Imagine being shrunk down to that size and ending up face to face with a spider the size of a bus. You're not going face to face with the thing- you're going to piss yourself, then run away screaming. Approach it with a bit more realism and RUN when you see a situation that is not massively stacked in your favour.

Think as prey. Think as a soft fleshy prehistoric human surviving in a world made of teeth and claws. A spider giving you problems? Don't facetank it. Build guard towers, a wall and a trap to lure the thing into. Then lure a ladybird on top to help you. Do as the pre-man do.
Sketchazoid Oct 17, 2022 @ 12:26pm 
Parry. You can legit take on most creatures with no armor, trinkets, or anything special if you're good enough at parrying. There are videos of people fighting Wolf Spiders on the highest difficulty with just a pebblet axe and no armor because they learned to parry and memorize the enemies movesets. You can even parry groups of enemies if they're bunched up in front of you.

Scan enemies, take advantage of their weaknesses.

Shields are amazing, use them effectively and you are near immortal.

Play in 3rd Person mode. First person is immersive sure, but you can't see squat compared to 3rd Person. You're gimping yourself by playing in First Person.

Learn to conserve stamina and not get greedy.

Bring plenty of bandages, smoothies and/or cooked meat.

Have plenty of lean-to's and tiny little outposts around for regrouping/respawning.

Get bandage upgrade ASAP.

For Milk Molar upgrades I recommend upgrading Max Mutations > Healing Rate > Then Health/Stamina. Upgrading Hunger/Thrist is a tourist trap in my opinion, akin to leveling up Food/Water in Ark or Resistance in Dark Souls 1. There are just better places to put those points. Once you have the Charcoal Canteen (super easy to get, skip canteen upgrade. Not worth it) you will never worry about water again, and getting the Hot Dog trinket isn't that hard, which will regen food slowly. Swap to combat trinket when you need it.

Difficulty is subjective, so I am not going to say "Git Gud" or tell you the game is easy. For some it is, for others it's not. What I will tell you is to stick to it, learn your enemies, always be prepared, and eventually things will just click.
Flare |UKCS| Oct 17, 2022 @ 12:36pm 
I am on medium, decked in Lady bug armour, with an ant club, basic smoothies as I havent gone swimming yet.
I got all my stuff before even getting to the hedge lab, even got t2 hammer and axe. How ?
I approach all my fights with the idea I am not strong and need to use all I can to help in the fight, not cheesing but using other bugs in the area... my first bombadier was with the aid of a lady... a ladybug, she tanked like a boss but died at the end, I got both bugs worth of stuff.
I can now face a ladybug 1 on 1 no worries, but the stinkies and bombers need some fast feet, occasional hail of arrows but I got a few down.
I finally found the 'proper' enterance to the hedge, but all my mistakes gave me some mutations and experience parrying most pests... not the wolf tho with him I just go nope and GTFO, if I can.

A trick if you need parts is to try opening up web sacs, its dangerous as momma is often nearby, but with the spiderlings you can nab all sorts of parts.
Sindri Myr Oct 17, 2022 @ 1:01pm 
Bows / Crossbows are pretty terrible in this game they are only good for a couple insects and if a bug gets stuck so you can cheese it while it's glitched. Also bee armor's special ability doesn't even work so I would switch to grub, spider or ladybug armor. I find that for the early game I can kill everything including wolf spiders one on one in melee with just medium armor, a shield, and a leveled Insect Axe.
Sketchazoid Oct 17, 2022 @ 1:28pm 
Originally posted by Flare |UKCS|:
A trick if you need parts is to try opening up web sacs, its dangerous as momma is often nearby, but with the spiderlings you can nab all sorts of parts.
This is especially useful later on when you come across Tier 3 websacks. Granted they are much more dangerous obviously (won't spoil) but you can get Ox Horns and other rare parts from them.
Sketchazoid Oct 17, 2022 @ 1:30pm 
Originally posted by Sindri Myr:
Bows / Crossbows are pretty terrible in this game they are only good for a couple insects and if a bug gets stuck so you can cheese it while it's glitched. Also bee armor's special ability doesn't even work so I would switch to grub, spider or ladybug armor. I find that for the early game I can kill everything including wolf spiders one on one in melee with just medium armor, a shield, and a leveled Insect Axe.
It used to be that if you jumped up on something a bug couldn't get to they would just run away, but at least for me, that doesn't seem to be the case anymore. So while a crossbow/bow isn't going to be near as effective as a melee weapon you can legit just find something like an unbreakable plant, root, rock or whatever to climb on to and just pelt away at your foe. I've killed Black Widows doing this, though I use Spicy Staff instead.
Sindri Myr Oct 17, 2022 @ 2:33pm 
Originally posted by Sketchazoid:
Originally posted by Sindri Myr:
Bows / Crossbows are pretty terrible in this game they are only good for a couple insects and if a bug gets stuck so you can cheese it while it's glitched. Also bee armor's special ability doesn't even work so I would switch to grub, spider or ladybug armor. I find that for the early game I can kill everything including wolf spiders one on one in melee with just medium armor, a shield, and a leveled Insect Axe.
It used to be that if you jumped up on something a bug couldn't get to they would just run away, but at least for me, that doesn't seem to be the case anymore. So while a crossbow/bow isn't going to be near as effective as a melee weapon you can legit just find something like an unbreakable plant, root, rock or whatever to climb on to and just pelt away at your foe. I've killed Black Widows doing this, though I use Spicy Staff instead.
Yeah that was what I was referencing. I wish you could block with them so I could use them more then just cheesing.
Sketchazoid Oct 17, 2022 @ 2:41pm 
Originally posted by Sindri Myr:
Yeah that was what I was referencing. I wish you could block with them so I could use them more then just cheesing.
To be honest, the range combat in this game, at least for crossbows/bows, is pretty meh. I too would like them to have a little bit more fleshed out mechanics, but they are the way they are and I don't see any of that changing anytime soon.

At least with Staves you can block, and they're a lot more fun to use, though the range on them is pretty limited. I agree with you that if you could block with bows that would alleviate a lot complaints with range combat. It's clear that cheese is frowned upon but how else do fight a wolf spider up close with a crossbow if you can't block/parry? For many they're used to grab aggro, pepper a target before switching to melee, or obviously cheesing. Being a straight range only character with bows and NOT cheesing is a challenge in itself.
Last edited by Sketchazoid; Oct 17, 2022 @ 2:43pm
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