Stamina broke this game

[Goldenboy]

The implementation of stamina in to this game is the single biggest mistake this game made. I have been trying to recruit new players and they all rage quit at the same point in the game. The depletion of stamina and they just have to stand there and get punched by insects. A constant debuff you need to manage with a bar in the left corner of your eye. This mechanic and its implementation gives new players nothing but frustration and single handedly ruins the joy of getting your first upgrade because you can only swing it twice before you just have to stand in front of your target and get hit, then die and walk back to corpse. Git gud scrub, I hear you say. Yeah sure, I like the game so I'll master it and get the gear and abilities to mitigate it. But it's a wall of frustration you need to get trough and it gives no satisfaction to do so. Absolute horrible game design from someone who should know better. This alone, I will argue, is why this game gains and looses the exact amount of players governed by the sales on steam. The stamina bar is about as good game design as a timer. It's lazy and bad, and you should feel bad. It might not be wrecking your new player recruitment, fun and inviting graphics, but it's destroying your new player retention.

[plucinskihouse]

Disagree, and you can disable it in the game options now if you really find it that much of a handicap (for a new world/save). After you get your mutations, and find the gold/white teeth for upgrades, plus some different armour, stamina isn't much of anything anymore until you're hungry and it slows you down.

I find the most jarring thing is that our movement speed in relation to scale is too slow, so you get fatigued way more for pushing harder for no reason and waste your sprint and stamina almost constantly. I think a 20% increase in player base movement speed would make things better.

[LeftPaw]

New player here and I am having a hard time with Grounded. I have it on it's easiest setting but still can't survive long. I think this is mainly down to stamina as I can't usually get to safety while being pursued by a enemy. Even when fighting a small insect I mostly have to stand there while it eats me. Even a 90 year old granny has more stamina than this game allows.
I get why the game has stamina but they have gone way over the top here, highlighting it as the games largest flaw. This is what happens when dev's don't play their own game.

[Padgey]

引用自 WetNose：

New player here and I am having a hard time with Grounded. I have it on it's easiest setting but still can't survive long. I think this is mainly down to stamina as I can't usually get to safety while being pursued by a enemy. Even when fighting a small insect I mostly have to stand there while it eats me. Even a 90 year old granny has more stamina than this game allows.
I get why the game has stamina but they have gone way over the top here, highlighting it as the games largest flaw. This is what happens when dev's don't play their own game.

you can increase your stamina as the game progresses through mutations, molars, and also smoothies that last 2 or 4 mins so use wisely, there is a sort of set path you have to take for this game for it to become easier, for example make the spiky sprig, buy the smithing station, get the sprig to level 5 strength, kill solider ant, now get the ant club to level 5, now its easy to kill bombadier and stink bugs, for the level 2 axe and hammer, i really feel people are trying to run in this game before they can walk....get the coup de grass mutation, as early as possible also consider playing co op so you have a helping hand

[LeftPaw]

引用自 Padgey：

引用自 WetNose：

New player here and I am having a hard time with Grounded. I have it on it's easiest setting but still can't survive long. I think this is mainly down to stamina as I can't usually get to safety while being pursued by a enemy. Even when fighting a small insect I mostly have to stand there while it eats me. Even a 90 year old granny has more stamina than this game allows.
I get why the game has stamina but they have gone way over the top here, highlighting it as the games largest flaw. This is what happens when dev's don't play their own game.

you can increase your stamina as the game progresses through mutations, molars, and also smoothies that last 2 or 4 mins so use wisely, there is a sort of set path you have to take for this game for it to become easier, for example make the spiky sprig, buy the smithing station, get the sprig to level 5 strength, kill solider ant, now get the ant club to level 5, now its easy to kill bombadier and stink bugs, for the level 2 axe and hammer, i really feel people are trying to run in this game before they can walk....get the coup de grass mutation, as early as possible also consider playing co op so you have a helping hand

Yes I imagine it get's easier along the way especially when you get the know how. It's just starting out new to the game, it can feel quite hard. I will try not to wander much until I am better equipped.
Also, I have found a excellent video that takes you through your first couple of days.

[Deadly Peanut]

引用自 WetNose：

New player here and I am having a hard time with Grounded. I have it on it's easiest setting but still can't survive long. I think this is mainly down to stamina as I can't usually get to safety while being pursued by a enemy. Even when fighting a small insect I mostly have to stand there while it eats me. Even a 90 year old granny has more stamina than this game allows.
I get why the game has stamina but they have gone way over the top here, highlighting it as the games largest flaw. This is what happens when dev's don't play their own game.

aphid slippers increase your speed dramatically, combined with a few pieces of grub armor which increases stamina or a mite hat which increases stamina regen.

early game i don't fight any bug unless i'm hunting it... i kite any aggressive bug and extend. once you're out of aggro range, the bug forgets about you.

for larger bugs, find a spot high up and use a bow with plenty of standard arrows. don't stand nose to nose with LB, SB or BB and certainly not OB or WS until you have good armor and the right mutations, including a crit buff mutation. remember, faster weapons are better because you have to land a full combo to get complete damage. learn to perfect block.

my go to weapons for early game are bows, rotten larval blade and rotten stinger spear. also weevil shield and later black ant shield. crossbow is great but IB has twice the DPS because it has a higher rate of fire.

[LeftPaw]

I have managed 2 hours without being killed thanks to advice from here and you tube.
I still can't get to grips with the crafting system. It sometimes has me scratching my head.

[Deadly Peanut]

引用自 WetNose：

I have managed 2 hours without being killed thanks to advice from here and you tube.
I still can't get to grips with the crafting system. It sometimes has me scratching my head.

some stuff you can hot craft, some stuff you need the workbench to craft... the item tells you on the bottom if you need the workbench. keep a few storage containers or chests near the workbench... it will pull from any of them

I keep a text file in the background with a list of resources i need when i'm out in the yard, based on the stuff i want to craft.

[Owlusory]

Get good. Milk molars exist for a reason. Up your stamina if you want to build on slow weapon usage. I still do not recommend it however unless you are playing with friends as it gives a large disadvantage even for tanks. Tanking in this game was meant to be used for distraction purposes so other people could use bows and jab with, as the kitty said, mosquito needles and puncture with crossbows so you could all take it down easily. I am still not sure how to battle the wolf spider without using bows and getting them stuck in grass while standing on a slightly elevated platform like a tree root.

[Deadly Peanut]

引用自 Raccoona Matata Bih：

Get good. I am still not sure how to battle the wolf spider without using bows and getting them stuck in grass while standing on a slightly elevated platform like a tree root.

WS = (coaltana L7) full combos + spider armor + perfect block

'get good' = lamer's response to pretty much any gaming issue

[:D]

引用自 Goldenboy：

looses

Loses*

[Keiss]

... This game is not hack and slash, as others have said before. Blocking is essential. You can literally outrun 90% of the mobs in this game. Use the environment to your advantage- most insects can't reach you if you get just a little bit above them. If you struggle with fighting one ant, don't attack them when they're in a group.

Use your ears. Hostile insects always make noises you can hear well outside their detection radius. Don't take a fight head-on that you're going to lose.

This game requires strategy. It's not Skyrim where you can just chug 20 potions of healing and tank every enemy in the game- it just doesn't work like that and nor should it.

Use your brains. Use your environment. Try different weapons.

[R3DSH1RTS]

引用自 Keiss：

... This game is not hack and slash, as others have said before. Blocking is essential. You can literally outrun 90% of the mobs in this game. Use the environment to your advantage- most insects can't reach you if you get just a little bit above them. If you struggle with fighting one ant, don't attack them when they're in a group.

Use your ears. Hostile insects always make noises you can hear well outside their detection radius. Don't take a fight head-on that you're going to lose.

This game requires strategy. It's not Skyrim where you can just chug 20 potions of healing and tank every enemy in the game- it just doesn't work like that and nor should it.

Use your brains. Use your environment. Try different weapons.

This lad right here knows it. Props to you

[Falaris]

It should be quite obvious that survival games have a stamina bar. The point of them is resource management; a stamina bar is a short-term resource, food and water are long-term. Survival games with any sort of serious fighting very often has this mechanic. Perhaps some don't? Anyone? I know someone suggested he should go back to Dark Souls, but it has stamina bars too, as has Elden RIng.

I can't help thinking he knows the complaint is completely absurd and just uses it to get a reaction from 'little boys defending their game as a knee-jerk reaction', as he so charmingly put it.

[InternetCurtains]

I agree, stamina is so annoying in combat amongst other things like low durability

[Skosh]

Just upgrade your stamina then, or use less stamina heavy weapons.