Wolfs spiders FAR TOO EASY NOW but still fun to fight!

[Dreadliane]

https://youtu.be/jfyixvuZiqY
https://youtu.be/DBuogKeDaVU
https://youtu.be/PtipnVeivOY
https://youtu.be/JigQyhgaTh0
https://youtu.be/4j9Cyr1_52c

Patch 0.2.0
Changes / Tuning
Combat

Buffed damage on the Spider Fang Dagger so it's on the higher end of tier 2 weapons.
Buffed damage on Spike Traps significantly.
Spiders learned a new set of attacks to choose from instead of just their basic bite.
Added a brief forced delay between block start events, preventing the player from perfect-blocking by mashing the block button.
Slightly reduced the bonus damage given by the Eyepatch.
Adjusting larva blade poison proc so it's consistent.
Reducing the stun ratings of two-handed weapons.
Slightly reducing amount of damage the mint mallet deals so it's in line with tier progression.
Tier 2 insects now have a cooldown after being stunned before they can be stunned again.
Perfect Blocking no longer reduces armor durability.

Some nice changes with the perfect block not reducing armor durability.

Nerfed mint mallet damage,nerfed eyepatch damage,nerfed stun value on 2 handed weapons.

Used to stun a wolf in 4 hits with mint mallet now takes 6.

Im sorry but wolfs and orb weavers are entirely too easy to kill now more than ever. Lets talk about the wolf. He now has 4 attacks in his arsenal. The jumping bite,the regular bite,the lunging bite,the quad bite. I don't think the spiders ai is good enough to determine the best time to use any of their attacks. They were more difficult to kill before when they only had 2 attacks to use. Now they have new attacks and the animation for the quad bite in particular takes way to long for the spider to complete. I spend most of my time behind the spider watching them attack air. We still only rarely need to perfect block as you can make them miss 90% of their attacks.

Imo they will need to revert the changes or take away the quad bite. Or change it to where if the spider misses you with that attack he doesn't continue to keep biting at nothing. The lunging bite is stupid easy to dodge without even trying. They lung past you and it's more free damage in their ♥♥♥.

I don't know what they will do next but imho spiders did not get harder like that claimed. They got easier. They are more interesting and I like that they have more attacks but simply due to their ai being basically basic af they don't pose much of a challenge or threat. I primarily make combat videos and now with how easy they are it's not really enjoyable anymore. I feel like I'm picking on them. Spiders only remotely have a chance to hit you if you stand directly in front of them and let them have a second to lock onto you but why would you ever give them that chance?

Not sure what direction the devs want to go. They still can't force us to use the perfect block mechanic as it's still not needed 90% of the time.

R.I.P semi formidable spiders. Lets see what changes next month.

spider fang dagger is OP and it might get a nerf because of that. Or an hp buff of all bugs.

[Azel]

damn.. some ppl here have realy bad day..

[Fallen]

not every game needs to be dark souls.

[Dreadliane]

引用自 Martin：

引用自 Dreadliane：

I can 2v1 wolf spiders now. No joke I think I can handle 3 at a time. I'll show video later

Don't really care tbh.. do it with a basic axe and i'll be impressed.

All you kids running around with tier 3 hammers trying to sound off like the game is too easy.. you're using a mint mallet.. if you're able to punch them to death or kill them with a pebble.. then they'd be too easy..

You're supposed to be finding them easy with a mint mallet.. you might as well be complaining that water is wet.

You want balance.. try doing it with a spear or axe.. in multiplayer not as host.. find it too easy then.. maybe worth complaining.

BRO MARTIN shut the ♥♥♥♥ up dude. You never know what you're talking about. You clearly didn't read the thread.

I can kill wolfs with any weapon in the game including my fist/pebble.
I can 2v1 wolfs with any weapon in the game
Woah mode mobs only have more hp.still easy.
You think you know what you're talking about but you never do dawg
Calling people kids as insult makes you look really cool
The game is easy but it's no longer a complaint as I said I truly enjoy playing this game. I'm pushing myself to go farther. I can 3v1 wolfs and I'll be the one to do it.
Nope not even using mint mallet 100% of the time dude. Where you been? P.S. its spider fang dagger ftw
ITS DISCUSSION THREAD. WHY CAN'T WE ALL DISCUSS? TALK ABOUT THE POST NOT WHAT WE THINK OF EACH OTHER.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBuogKeDaVU is that a mint mallet in my hands? didn't think so

you know nothing jon snow

[OndeTv]

Looks to me that the spiders (and probably other entities too) have 2 problems:
- lack of adaptable tracking during attack animations (or animation cancelling)
- lack of colliders, making it too easy for a player to clip through and walk around (eg spider legs)

[GRAVIT0S]

i was about to say the same thing they were so hard you had to block good use a lot of heal and were unable to outrun its attacks... i play on WHOA! btw... now i can dance around easy (not even wearing aphid skippers) only block its jump done

[D. Edwards]

I am pretty sure its a bug they're probably going to fix, then once it's fixed we'll have many on these forums saying they're too hard!

[Dreadliane]

They could for sure use some sort of animation cancelling/better tracking/capability to understand when their attacks are going to miss etc.

1v1 wolfs are really easy.
1v2 wolfs is actually really really fun to fight.

https://youtu.be/dZ3jNWiVvec
I had sub 3 hour practice session last night. Now fighting them 1v2 is natural. I still make mistakes and get bit but after 3 hours of it I can understand what I was doing wrong like attacking when I should be waiting to block etc. Can click through the video because I know we don't have time to watch the whole 3 hours but you'll see what it looks like to 1v2 here

Many of the fights I did flawlessly which feels fun and satisfying to pull off. Anyone can 1v2 wolfs and chug smoothies so I've been aiming to not get hit.

[OndeTv]

引用自 Dreadliane：

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You can share individual timestamps yourself by going to your video, scroll to the desired timestamp, select share and use the "start at" option ;)

[Dreadliane]

I just downloaded my stream and currently editing out all the loading and failed attempts. Taking forever O.o
Sitting at 1hour+ of successful 1v2s...

[GRAVIT0S]

引用自 Martin：

Don't really care tbh.. do it with a basic axe and i'll be impressed.

All you kids running around with tier 3 hammers trying to sound off like the game is too easy.. you're using a mint mallet.. if you're able to punch them to death or kill them with a pebble.. then they'd be too easy..

You're supposed to be finding them easy with a mint mallet.. you might as well be complaining that water is wet.

You want balance.. try doing it with a spear or axe.. in multiplayer not as host.. find it too easy then.. maybe worth complaining.

Alrdy did a few boxing rounds with Wolfie always ends in KO for the spider^^ yes i might use a liquid rage but my only armor is aphid boots and you dance around like Ali xD and yes i also play on whoa! ( they only have a few more hp than on medium ) the wolf spider was way more challenging before the update you couldnt avoid its tracking single atk neither the jump because the hitbox was way bigger you had to block good and also use bandage + smoothie! if you didnt block perfectly your block also broke once in a fight... and now the fights look exactly like in the videos from Dreadliane: no block no heal dance around not get hit once wolfie down

[Ǵ̶͓̂͑lí̴̤̀̄́tcĥ̸]

You didn't need a bandage or smoothie to kill them before. They helped if you goof the blocks, but perfect blocking the two attacks (one, really, since they never pounce when you're close to them) was too easy for it to ever actually land a hit on me no matter how good its tracking was. Attacks can be dodged now, but not all of them - some, including the jump/pounce, still track unless there's something between it and you or, inconsistently, if you're too close.

I still have to block certain attacks, I now also dodge certain attacks to get a good few hits in and since the weapons and bandana+ do less damage now the fights also take a little longer giving me more time to mess up any of these with the addition of its newer attacks - both of us get to act more randomly and move around and it makes fights a lot more dynamic. Before I literally just stood still in front of them and blocked, attacked, blocked - etc with a few more hits when it gets stunned. It was boring before and people like Dreadliane had to create his/her (not sure) own fun by 3rd person swaggering their tracking to make them hard (I say 3rd person because I've tried DL's tactics posted before the update and could not do it in 1st person - not sure why, maybe I was doing something wrong but it seemed like they tracked better in 1st person for whatever reason). It really has only gotten easier for people like that, or people who didn't use/didn't master perfect blocking, but also now they can fight multiple wolfs to create said fun and it's a lot more fluid.

I will agree that it still needs work but adding perfect tracking to every attack is NOT the right answer because it will make fights with more than 1 creature impossible if they stagger attacks, even with healing items (two, maybe three hits will destroy you if they're close enough to back to back, even if you sneak in a smoothie, since the bandages are on ticks). Remember Dark Souls 2? (Not comparing this game to DkS but this is relevant, since one of people's biggest PVE complaints in DkS2 compared to DkS1 was how ridiculous enemy tracking was - Grounded is just as punishing if you take hits, too)

[D. Edwards]

Without perfect tracking the spiders are easy 1 v 1. I don't think you're meant to take on multiple apex mobs. If that's true then the Apex mobs needs to be buffed. This is a survival game, not an RPG or action RPG. Which means 1 apex mob should be challenging, two mobs near impossible (at least solo), and 3 mobs impossible. Now this isn't accounting for future possible updates like taming or something.

[Ǵ̶͓̂͑lí̴̤̀̄́tcĥ̸]

Wolf Spider isn't quite an Apex Mob or there wouldn't be multiple sleeping in the same area under the Oak (almost always 2 in there, with a third one usually sleeping in a little spot facing the pond), or other dens where they're chillin' with multiple Orb Weavers as well. Broodmother is more of an Apex mob despite technically being a boss and even she has ads near her. I don't think there are Apex mobs in this game, yet. Most survival games don't have them as you describe them - but ironically RPGs do so...

[Dreadliane]

https://youtu.be/JigQyhgaTh0

1v3 wolf spiders. probably not meant to have to fight more than 2 at one time but i wanted to know how many 1 person could handle at once. basically all i do in this game is fight wolf spiders.
patch 0.1.0 you didnt need to perfect block every attack as my dodging methods still worked back then
now patch 0.2.0 makes 1vX possible because your moments to attack during their attack animations.

[D. Edwards]

引用自 ⊂卄⫯ㅥ⫯∩'：

Wolf Spider isn't quite an Apex Mob or there wouldn't be multiple sleeping in the same area under the Oak (almost always 2 in there, with a third one usually sleeping in a little spot facing the pond), or other dens where they're chillin' with multiple Orb Weavers as well. Broodmother is more of an Apex mob despite technically being a boss and even she has ads near her. I don't think there are Apex mobs in this game, yet. Most survival games don't have them as you describe them - but ironically RPGs do so...

The wolf spider IS the apex mob or at least supposed to be. There's nothing harder in the game other than the brood mother maybe? But wolf spiders are the apex, lets not delude ourselves here. At least for now they are.

And most survival games have pvp in them, making the players the real apex. But with this being pve (which I am glad it is) they have to substitute something as an apex for the lack of pvp. Enter the wolf spiders.