Grounded

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D.A.R.K. 26/ago./2020 às 19:07
Less Than 3 Minutes Speedrun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn4GERTPy1w

I didn't know that, we don't need to gather or kill, just move forward and jump some times.
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Taddy Mason 1/set./2020 às 18:51 
Escrito originalmente por D.A.R.K.:
Escrito originalmente por Smketreez:

Early Access Game
Get instant access and start playing; get involved with this game as it develops.
Note: This Early Access game is not complete and may or may not change further. If you are not excited to play this game in its current state, then you should wait to see if the game progresses further in development.

^^^^^^^^ You have to scroll past this GIANT blue box to get to the purchase button. Is this the first EA title you've ever seen? Some release more complete than others, some release barely playable, some release playable with none of their story content. Then we as players influence the direction as it goes along. That's the whole concept of Early Access.
The game released barely over a month ago, so yes that patch was a lot of content to push out in one month's time. More will come, more will change, some things will get fixed, some things will break. That's how EA works...
You didn't understand... You are underestimate the player doing Speedrun, while accepting the fact there's a storyline to beat. You are contradicting yourself, dude.
Says the dude quoting himself saying there’s nothing to this story so far, but also that we shouldn’t underestimate this speed runner who quickly finished the “nothing”. What’s there to be impressed about if there’s nothing to the story yet? That’s like bragging about beating the tutorial mission in Skyrim in 3 minutes. Oh wow-you did 5-10 minutes of content in 3. Let’s pretend that’s amazing while also complaining about how little content there is on the story front. No cognitive dissonance there. 🙄🙄🙄
D.A.R.K. 1/set./2020 às 19:37 
Escrito originalmente por }OA{ Gh0st Stalker:
The Point of Early Access is;
-to garner attention
-grow an early following
-most likely start making money back on this (why the price)
-use steam players as a cheaper form of finding bugs and issues that a small team can't possibly find all at the time hundreds of players can
-have fans direct some of the flow of the overall game (cater to the fans, somewhat)
-Again, as a test bed for new mechanics and features as they move through development.

I'd rather have the story be released when it's finished and not before. I'd rather watch a movie in full rather than watch each act when it's done in post-production. The amount of story they have release is a nice taste, like an extended trailer or scene from a movie.

> This game is published by Microsoft and Obsidian, two big companies that everyone already knows about, they don't need Early Access to gain attention, this is stupid to say.

> This is, again, stupid to say when we are talking about two big companies, any big company that says it will release a game, and show a video or something, trailer or gameplay trailer, is already enough to gain people attention, thus making them following the product.

> START MAKE MONEY BACK, WHY THE PRICE? Dude, this price is stupidly high for an Early Access game without content, if you take back any other game with the same genre, all of them also had almost no content when release, BUT THE PRICE WAS RIGHT. This price is wrong, the only region that got the right price was USA. To defend this price is the same as have no knowledge how Steam Price works, thus making you an ignorant that shouldn't talk about it at the first place, or you are a rich person who don't care.

> Yes, I mean, kinda yes. Early Access is a way to get feedback about the game, and improving, changing, removing and adding content to make the game better with the time. Doesn't need to be only Steam players, could be players from any platform... But again, Microsoft and Obsidian, they don't need Early Access to develop a game.

> Basically what I've told in the previous one.

> Basically the same, as well.

The sole purpose reason to release a game on Early Access is to improve and change the game overtime, THIS IS WHY THE PRICE MUST BE CHEAP, so people can buy and play the game, but Microsoft and Obsidian didn't release the game in a fair price, they released a overpriced game, with almost no content, and what's worse, when the game release the 1.0 it will be more expensive.
D.A.R.K. 1/set./2020 às 19:45 
Escrito originalmente por ⊂卄⫯ㅥ⫯∩':
You can't complete an incomplete story. This post is an oxymoron.
Of course you can, you just need to implement and define rules about it.
The timer start when you see the first frame of the world, this means, when you can properly play the game. The timer ends when the message saying "end of the story content" appears.

This is an Any% which means it doesn't matter what happens, the player must reach this message, more people playing, more categories will be implemented, with different rules. In Grounded we don't have multiple categories yet, because the game has almost nothing to do, once more content is implemented, Speedrunners will implement more categories.

Put that in your mind, any game with "ending" will be speedrunned, even games without end will have some category to create a fake ending, so speedrunners can beat it. Another thing about Grounded is that, YES, this is a story line, it's weak and almost nothing because the game isn't finished yet, but this short content of you starting in the middle of nowhere and talking with the robot that I don't remember the name is the storyline.

It hurts your feelings thinking about it because you want to force people to do stuff to reach the current end, but as you can see, nothing is required to reach the current end but moving and jumping, you don't need to activate the machine anymore, you don't need to craft stuff anymore, and you don't need to kill creatures anymore.
D.A.R.K. 1/set./2020 às 19:48 
Escrito originalmente por Taddy Mason:
Escrito originalmente por D.A.R.K.:
You didn't understand... You are underestimate the player doing Speedrun, while accepting the fact there's a storyline to beat. You are contradicting yourself, dude.
Says the dude quoting himself saying there’s nothing to this story so far, but also that we shouldn’t underestimate this speed runner who quickly finished the “nothing”. What’s there to be impressed about if there’s nothing to the story yet? That’s like bragging about beating the tutorial mission in Skyrim in 3 minutes. Oh wow-you did 5-10 minutes of content in 3. Let’s pretend that’s amazing while also complaining about how little content there is on the story front. No cognitive dissonance there. 🙄🙄🙄
Oh... You are the kind of person who argues using semantic... My statement is completely wrong and invalid because I used the word "nothing" to describe something that actually has "really, really, REALLY few contents"... Good for you.
Escrito originalmente por D.A.R.K.:
Escrito originalmente por }OA{ Gh0st Stalker:
The Point of Early Access is;
-to garner attention
-grow an early following
-most likely start making money back on this (why the price)
-use steam players as a cheaper form of finding bugs and issues that a small team can't possibly find all at the time hundreds of players can
-have fans direct some of the flow of the overall game (cater to the fans, somewhat)
-Again, as a test bed for new mechanics and features as they move through development.

I'd rather have the story be released when it's finished and not before. I'd rather watch a movie in full rather than watch each act when it's done in post-production. The amount of story they have release is a nice taste, like an extended trailer or scene from a movie.

> This game is published by Microsoft and Obsidian, two big companies that everyone already knows about, they don't need Early Access to gain attention, this is stupid to say.

> This is, again, stupid to say when we are talking about two big companies, any big company that says it will release a game, and show a video or something, trailer or gameplay trailer, is already enough to gain people attention, thus making them following the product.

> START MAKE MONEY BACK, WHY THE PRICE? Dude, this price is stupidly high for an Early Access game without content, if you take back any other game with the same genre, all of them also had almost no content when release, BUT THE PRICE WAS RIGHT. This price is wrong, the only region that got the right price was USA. To defend this price is the same as have no knowledge how Steam Price works, thus making you an ignorant that shouldn't talk about it at the first place, or you are a rich person who don't care.

> Yes, I mean, kinda yes. Early Access is a way to get feedback about the game, and improving, changing, removing and adding content to make the game better with the time. Doesn't need to be only Steam players, could be players from any platform... But again, Microsoft and Obsidian, they don't need Early Access to develop a game.

> Basically what I've told in the previous one.

> Basically the same, as well.

The sole purpose reason to release a game on Early Access is to improve and change the game overtime, THIS IS WHY THE PRICE MUST BE CHEAP, so people can buy and play the game, but Microsoft and Obsidian didn't release the game in a fair price, they released a overpriced game, with almost no content, and what's worse, when the game release the 1.0 it will be more expensive.


Basically, because it's Microsoft (publisher), Obsidian (developer), this game will automatically have a large following, does not need marketing to sell well, and is over priced as an Early Access.

An analogy to your reply; Everyone knows the movie company Lions Gate, Everyone knows the IP Judge Dredd. Guess what? This film was given a lousy budget of 45mil, had little to no marketing, Bombed hard in theaters, didn't even break even (made less than budget).

As far as the Early Access price $30USD, whether its over or under priced is based more on if the market can take it, or will people buy it at this price...and basing on the number of reviews that is just over 7000, i think it's a fair enough price. If you bought this game at the price it is, then that just further proves this point.

Escrito originalmente por D.A.R.K.:
SNIP
Yes but this is you defining rules for the sake of a speedrun, not to be used to judge the current status of the story considering it's not complete. And regardless of any rules applied, an incomplete story cannot be completed (as in, played through).

It's like me reading the first few pages of an unfinished movie script and immediately acting like I've finished watching the entire movie and acting like it sucks. Or like you writing a story and having a friend proof read some of it, and he finishes the few pages you've written and let him read in 3 minutes and says the story sucks because it's too short. Etc.
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OndeTv 2/set./2020 às 0:29 
Just let the thread die. The OP made the same thread before the august patch. Clearly seeking attention. Just ignore it.
D.A.R.K. 2/set./2020 às 3:33 
Escrito originalmente por }OA{ Gh0st Stalker:
Basically, because it's Microsoft (publisher), Obsidian (developer), this game will automatically have a large following, does not need marketing to sell well, and is over priced as an Early Access.
Yes and no. The marketing is needed, but Early Access isn't. Huge companies don't need to release Early Access stages because they have knowledge of how to program a game and because they have money enough to sustain the game developing. I could give you a lot of examples from a lot of different companies, like Blizzard, Valve, Bethesda, and so on, but I'm pretty sure you know those companies don't need the Early Access version of their games. Microsoft doesn't get money only from games, and they are wealthy enough do release a game in full stage and then tweek something after.





Escrito originalmente por }OA{ Gh0st Stalker:
An analogy to your reply; Everyone knows the movie company Lions Gate, Everyone knows the IP Judge Dredd. Guess what? This film was given a lousy budget of 45mil, had little to no marketing, Bombed hard in theaters, didn't even break even (made less than budget).
Using a movie as an analogy is stupid because movies work differently from games. At the start, you can release 300 trailers showing your movie to call out more attention and have more people watching them, but at the same time you will give almost everything about something on the movie, as an example, we have Age of Ultron where Marvel released to us 90% of the Hulk VS Hulk Buster fight on trailers.

On the other hand, the real reason movies fail is because the movie sucks. There are people like journalists that watch the movie before the movie releases, in pre-releases or something, and then the journalists give everybody a fast, no spoiler reveal about the movie, showing if it worthy or no to watch it on theaters. Even with this, there are friends who watch the movie and then tell you "dude, it sucks, don't go watch it, wait for free-for-all websites to release".

Everybody knows how The Last of Us was awesome, so everybody was expecting something awesome on The Last of Us Part II, but it sucked, sucked HARD, after people releasing reviews and critiques on the internet, YouTube mostly, people saw how ♥♥♥♥ is the game and didn't buy it. The company is the game, but the game is trash because the story, the only reason The Last of Us was good in the first place, but yet you didn't see a "The Last of Us Part II Early Access" release from Naughty Dog.

Everybody knows what Valve is, a great company that stops to do games when they did, they released a piece of ♥♥♥♥ card game, but when Valve told to the public a new Half-Life game would be released, people bought as fast as an infestation spread, and the game was great, you didn't see a "Half-Life: Alyx Early Access" because it's Valve, and it's Half-Life, they don't need an Early Access version of the game to fix issues and bugs, and they don't need Early Access for marketing.

Capcom released a great remake of one of the best games they did, Resident Evil, and was great, so they did again with Resident Evil 2, no Early Access as well, people bought as hell. So they did the same with Resident Evil 3, but it was trash, the game turn apart, the content was cut in 1/3, people hated it, and yet, not Early Access version because it's Capcom and it's Resident Evil, people know what the company is capable of, and people know what the game is.

I could go on and on, give you examples, but I think you got the idea... Big companies don't need Early Access on their games, period.





Escrito originalmente por }OA{ Gh0st Stalker:
As far as the Early Access price $30USD, whether its over or under priced is based more on if the market can take it, or will people buy it at this price...and basing on the number of reviews that is just over 7000, i think it's a fair enough price. If you bought this game at the price it is, then that just further proves this point.
I think you don't know the problem with the Grounded price, so let me tell you... The price is fair only in the USA because the rich company, instead of using the Steam suggestion of pricing based on region, they made the conversion manually, that's why the price isn't fair in every part of the world but USA.

There's a topic talking about it, it's huge because I'm talking about the region price a lot, showing people that the price is wrong, you can see everything here:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/962130/discussions/0/2787117798310852249/

Valve made this: https://steamdb.info/sub/386492/ a conversion value of games based on the region because Valve knows that exist poor regions that can't buy the game at full price, that's why some countries have a high discount rate, and others don't.

Looking at all Early Access games on Steam, the price of Grounded should be R$: 45,00. Pay attention that I'm not talking about dollars, but in Reals, and not only on that, all other regions as well.

Basically, a huge rich company as Microsoft needs the game to be this expensive to get more money because it's the single only reason to price this game as high as it is. I could do what I did in the previous part of your comment, go game by game with the same genre, or indie games, that released the game on Early Access with a fair price, but everything is in the topic that I liked, so I don't feel like doing that.
D.A.R.K. 2/set./2020 às 3:41 
Escrito originalmente por ⊂卄⫯ㅥ⫯∩':
Yes but this is you defining rules for the sake of a speedrun, not to be used to judge the current status of the story considering it's not complete. And regardless of any rules applied, an incomplete story cannot be completed (as in, played through).
Yes, rules are for Speedrunning, but the game does have an ending, even so, the company, Obsidian, tells you when you reach the robot, it says "END OF THE STORY CONTENT", "end...", even if it's incomplete, the current state HAS a start and an ending. The more the game progress, the bigger the story content will be, maybe even with different endings, but the content you see now has an ending, if you don't think it has than goes cry about to Obsidian (who created the game) because they say it's the END of the story content.





Escrito originalmente por ⊂卄⫯ㅥ⫯∩':
It's like me reading the first few pages of an unfinished movie script and immediately acting like I've finished watching the entire movie and acting like it sucks. Or like you writing a story and having a friend proof read some of it, and he finishes the few pages you've written and let him read in 3 minutes and says the story sucks because it's too short. Etc.
No, it isn't the same as reading a book because you have the whole book ready to read and you choose to read only a few pages. If I give you a part of the book with only a few pages as Grounded is, you can only read those few pages to judge the book.

No, it isn't the same as writing a story and have a friend reading only a few pages, because you don't have the full story yet. If you have a full story written, why didn't you give the full story to your friend to read? You didn't write the full story, only a part of it, and that's what your friend is reading, and that's what he can judge.
D.A.R.K. 2/set./2020 às 3:42 
Escrito originalmente por OndeTv:
Just let the thread die. The OP made the same thread before the august patch. Clearly seeking attention. Just ignore it.
Nah, I'm just saying how fast a Speedrun can kill this game without glitches and exploits. From 5 minutes to 3 minutes, just wait to see some glitches and exploits =)
Effects 2/set./2020 às 6:14 
Why do obsidian games make nerds seethe so much? look at this psycho
Zig 2/set./2020 às 9:46 
and this guy don't owned the game , so what is his point, just bashing !!?
D.A.R.K. 2/set./2020 às 9:57 
Escrito originalmente por Zig:
and this guy don't owned the game , so what is his point, just bashing !!?
Are you gonna gift me this expensive game?
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