alright so im wondering something

[rambley fan]

so almost every player knows about the vtsg (vengeful true sun god for those who dont know the short verison) so how would a paragon for the super monkey work or does the vtsg count as a paragon since it combines all the tier 5's it just doesnt have the level system

[Lanosa]

I suppose the VTSG is a pseudo-paragon of the Supermonkey, because it's the result of the whole tier 3 super monkeys. Sadly, the only change from the TSG is it's color. Still too powerful well built.

In my opinion, super monkey won't get a paragon because this.

[imag2OOO]

it could get a para still imo since vtsg is technically a secret tower and paras dont eat the t5 slots {as in u can re place them unlike how vtsg eats them}

or maybe even 3 paras/2 more with vtsg being the top tree para since its mostly based on sun god

[MrWomanStealer]

Maybe they'll change the VTSG into a paragon? And the knowledge would do something else.
But I doubt we're getting a super monkey paragon anytime soon. Would be real powerful!

[Red Sword]

VTSG isn't the Super Monkey Paragon and it won't change when the Super Monkey Paragon does come (NK has confirmed that every tower will get a paragon and an official team member has mentioned a Super Monkey Paragon)

How will it "co-exist" with the Super Monkey Paragon? I guess NK will figure that out

[Entropy]

Originally posted by Red Sword:

VTSG isn't the Super Monkey Paragon and it won't change when the Super Monkey Paragon does come (NK has confirmed that every tower will get a paragon and an official team member has mentioned a Super Monkey Paragon)

How will it "co-exist" with the Super Monkey Paragon? I guess NK will figure that out

Super monkey paragon is waste of NK dev time. It does not make sense, it already has enough complexity and power. Paragon creation time should be spent on other towers.

[Red Sword]

Originally posted by Extinction:

Originally posted by Red Sword:

VTSG isn't the Super Monkey Paragon and it won't change when the Super Monkey Paragon does come (NK has confirmed that every tower will get a paragon and an official team member has mentioned a Super Monkey Paragon)

How will it "co-exist" with the Super Monkey Paragon? I guess NK will figure that out

Super monkey paragon is waste of NK dev time. It does not make sense, it already has enough complexity and power. Paragon creation time should be spent on other towers.

In your opinion, but many others would disagree

[Entropy]

Originally posted by Red Sword:

Originally posted by Extinction:

Super monkey paragon is waste of NK dev time. It does not make sense, it already has enough complexity and power. Paragon creation time should be spent on other towers.

In your opinion, but many others would disagree

Whoever thinks they should get their heads straight. If sm gets paragon, then there will be so much difference of complexity and power between sm and other towers who do not have paragon, then other towers will be less used which NOBODY likes and NK does not want. TSG or VTSG is strong enough. No, community needs either farm or sniper paragon.

[sarahannesouthcott]

i agree with red sword on his texts

[Entropy]

Then enjoy the super monkey fanboi/girl club and leave the stage for pro players

Originally posted by sarahannesouthcott:

i agree with red sword on his texts

[Bum Ghost]

paragon should just immediately advance stage level to 3000 because it would be so absurdly expensive you would just win the game, so defeat this ddt in 1 frame or die

[ν]

Originally posted by Lanosa:

Sadly, the only change from the TSG is it's color. Still too powerful well built.

Pretty sure it has different stats and is superior.

A paragon combines all three trees so it would be something like a robotic temple with a blackhole (necron monkeys?). Maybe there would be a hidden vengeful paragon too.

[imag2OOO]

Originally posted by Gaylord CockFlasher:

Originally posted by Red Sword:

In your opinion, but many others would disagree

Whoever thinks they should get their heads straight. If sm gets paragon, then there will be so much difference of complexity and power between sm and other towers who do not have paragon, then other towers will be less used which NOBODY likes and NK does not want. TSG or VTSG is strong enough. No, community needs either farm or sniper paragon.

the price alone would probably make it unuseable in everything but freeplay tbh so i doubt other towers would be effected

[Anal Avenger]

Even in freeplay it wouldn't be usable without a farm paragon. I don't think either a super or a farm paragon are healthy for the game honestly.

[Hiroko]

I will answer in 2 parts.

Originally posted by male_07:

how would a paragon for the super monkey work

My hope would be that it sacrifices all other paragons and uses that in some way to determine the weapons it uses, maybe 1 weapon specific to each kind of paragon sacrificed, and then preventing you from getting any more paragons. One thing I don't see them doing is making it matter if you do VTSG or TSG, because the price difference while considering sacrificing other paragons would be negligible for how much power it would be expected to add. No one knows how it would really work. Lots of fun ideas to play with.

Originally posted by male_07:

does the vtsg count as a paragon since it combines all the tier 5's it just doesnt have the level system

no, it doesn't. There is something about it being labeled as a T6 in the game files (like paragons) and they added a MK that makes paragons stronger if you don't rebuild the T5's for that tower type. CHIMPS deactivates the bonus for paragons and VTSG (TSG still possible), but they do not function the same way. Calling them the same thing is like calling ice and glue towers the same, or druids and wizards... Similar =/= identical. They're both towers. They are not both paragons.

Originally posted by Lanosa:

because it's the result of the whole tier 3 super monkeys. Sadly, the only change from the TSG is it's color.

T5 super monkeys
VTSG is not just a color buff. It gains something like double damage. Thats the tradeoff for not allowing the other 2 very strong in their own right T5's to be rebuilt. God buffing them somewhat lessens the difference, but VTSG is still obviously stronger and has less footprint needed for the same total dps.

Originally posted by MrWomanStealer:

Maybe they'll change the VTSG into a paragon? And the knowledge would do something else.
But I doubt we're getting a super monkey paragon anytime soon. Would be real powerful!

I would agree, but...... after they're done with all other paragons.... idk. Maybe something like I said would be the next power creep omg so strong thriller to keep the hype train moving, as opposed to "we're removing TSG and VTSG and reworking them into a new paragon," which is a bit of a let down because it takes something iconic away. I think they either need to refuse to make it or go big when there is nothing else to focus on.

Originally posted by Gaylord CockFlasher:

Originally posted by Red Sword:

In your opinion, but many others would disagree

Whoever thinks they should get their heads straight. If sm gets paragon, then there will be so much difference of complexity and power between sm and other towers who do not have paragon, then other towers will be less used which NOBODY likes and NK does not want. TSG or VTSG is strong enough. No, community needs either farm or sniper paragon.

Hard disagree. Firstly, paragons are not normal gameplay anyway. It wouldn't change if other towers are used. Speak for yourself about NOBODY liking certain towers being used or not. Farm paragon would be useful for freeplay/events on maps with little space. Sniper paragon I have no idea why you would hate to this degree. You're complaining about something that most people don't interact with to begin with as though they're going to play differently because of another new thing they wont interact with? Get real.

[Hiroko]

Originally posted by Anal Avenger:

Even in freeplay it wouldn't be usable without a farm paragon. I don't think either a super or a farm paragon are healthy for the game honestly.

I don't think at the paragon level it matters for game health anymore, but farms are bad for normal gameplay, as they prevent learning to use other towers and become a giant crutch. Kind of great for freeplay purposes though. You do NOT need a farm paragon for w/e price point they would land on for the maps people usually try for a new highest freeplay push ever, but I see it being incredibly useful for allowing harder maps with less building space to bridge the gap. You can already do like 50b by r200 on logs (I've had 30b by r150) without double cash or powers/instas. Stall moabs and spam 040 snipers.