How to tell players to not use Benjamin in Chimps mode?

[Wischmob von Eimer]

Hello,

recently I have been playing co-op and I keep running into players who use Benjamin in Chimps mode. For (imho) obvious resons (+income does not work in chimps mode) this is ... not smart ... but all I can come up with is using the "Benjamin" + "Facepalm" emote ... And I do not think they understand. However, there is no "C.H.I.M.P.S." emote or anything like it.

Does anyone of you know of a better way to make them understand how ... not smart ... it is to use him in that specific mode?

How do you deal with this?

Or am I wrong here and his income actually works?

Thanks and hugs in advance.

[TheFancierWendigo]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Wischmob von Eimer:

Does anyone of you know of a better way to make them understand how ... not smart ... it is to use him in that specific mode?

do benjamin icon (should pop up if at least one of the four players is using him) then do the monkey thumbs down or something similiar then do the money (that one with the bananas and crates) then monkey thumbs down

[Albinosaurus]

As my grandpa used to say, "You can't fix stupid, stupid."

[kitt]

sorry NK is busy creating nonsense content instead of improving players experience

[imag2OOO]

do a "no cash drops"{trophy store emote} then a "ben" {ideally dont do ben first some ppl think that means u want him}

[Trick]

Don't start a Chimps game with a player having Ben picked. If they don't know that Ben doesn't generate them more cash in Chimps, they aren't ready for that gamemode to begin with.

[Albinosaurus]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Trick:

Don't start a Chimps game with a player having Ben picked. If they don't know that Ben doesn't generate them more cash in Chimps, they aren't ready for that gamemode to begin with.

It honestly is pretty crappy to have a hero be useless in a game mode. They should have made an exception for Ben. There's still quite the opportunity cost involved.

[Nelly]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Albinosaurus:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Trick:

Don't start a Chimps game with a player having Ben picked. If they don't know that Ben doesn't generate them more cash in Chimps, they aren't ready for that gamemode to begin with.

It honestly is pretty crappy to have a hero be useless in a game mode. They should have made an exception for Ben. There's still quite the opportunity cost involved.

he's not totally worthless, trojan and siphon funding still work. if he could make money than he would kind of defeat the point of chimps

[Trick]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Albinosaurus:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Trick:

Don't start a Chimps game with a player having Ben picked. If they don't know that Ben doesn't generate them more cash in Chimps, they aren't ready for that gamemode to begin with.

It honestly is pretty crappy to have a hero be useless in a game mode. They should have made an exception for Ben. There's still quite the opportunity cost involved.

The easiest solution would be to just have him banned from being used in Chimps. Whoever has Ben selected as their Hero, will be defaulted to no hero selected as that is still better than wasting 1K for practically nothing.

A smarter solution would be a total conversion. Instead of addition revenue, he now attacks bloons frequently like a normal tower. I would imagine it to work like the glue gunner, targeting bloons and hacking down their layers.

[Albinosaurus]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Trick:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Albinosaurus:

It honestly is pretty crappy to have a hero be useless in a game mode. They should have made an exception for Ben. There's still quite the opportunity cost involved.

The easiest solution would be to just have him banned from being used in Chimps. Whoever has Ben selected as their Hero, will be defaulted to no hero selected as that is still better than wasting 1K for practically nothing.

I thought about this, but I would rather all heroes be valid choices. Taking Ben in Chimps would mean missing out on more powerful options and delaying your other towers in favor of long-term investment.

A smarter solution would be a total conversion. Instead of addition revenue, he now attacks bloons frequently like a normal tower. I would imagine it to work like the glue gunner, targeting bloons and hacking down their layers.

Nah, this completely breaks his identity. That would be a terrible approach.

[Trick]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Albinosaurus:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Trick:

The easiest solution would be to just have him banned from being used in Chimps. Whoever has Ben selected as their Hero, will be defaulted to no hero selected as that is still better than wasting 1K for practically nothing.

I thought about this, but I would rather all heroes be valid choices. Taking Ben in Chimps would mean missing out on more powerful options and delaying your other towers in favor of long-term investment.

A smarter solution would be a total conversion. Instead of addition revenue, he now attacks bloons frequently like a normal tower. I would imagine it to work like the glue gunner, targeting bloons and hacking down their layers.

Nah, this completely breaks his identity. That would be a terrible approach.

Ben is just too OP. Implement his original function into Chimps, and you negate the whole purpose of the mode. Maybe on expert maps it would be fair as those are truly awful on their own.

[Albinosaurus]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Trick:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Albinosaurus:

I thought about this, but I would rather all heroes be valid choices. Taking Ben in Chimps would mean missing out on more powerful options and delaying your other towers in favor of long-term investment.



Nah, this completely breaks his identity. That would be a terrible approach.

Ben is just too OP. Implement his original function into Chimps, and you negate the whole purpose of the mode. Maybe on expert maps it would be fair as those are truly awful on their own.

It really doesn't break CHIMPS. For that matter, Ben isn't OP at all. He's very good, yes. Other heroes are certainly better, depending on the map. I can say that confidently because when I was learning the game, I did so without using/abusing economy boosting monkeys. I later added those in order to beat certain challenges or achievements, but if your fundamentals are solid, having Ben just gives you another fun option--he doesn't make anything possible that was impossible before.

There's also an argument to be made that CHIMPS itself goes against the game's design around fun itself, but that's probably another topic...

[as1089]

Oprindeligt skrevet af kitt:

sorry NK is busy creating nonsense content instead of improving players experience

You want an actually working chat system so you can communicate to your teammates instead of playing an interpretive dance with emotes, most of which have to be unlocked in the trophy store? Sorry, the best we can do is a $20 Adora She-Ra skin.

[as1089]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Trick:

Ben is just too OP. Implement his original function into Chimps, and you negate the whole purpose of the mode. Maybe on expert maps it would be fair as those are truly awful on their own.

I mean what is the whole purpose of the mode? Is it really there to be a challenge? It doesn't do a very good job at that. In the majority of maps, Chimps mode is trivial. There are still quite a few maps where it is a challenge, and a few maps where it's genuinely really difficult, but all that difficulty can be removed just by following a video. If you know that Player A has 25 CHIMPS medals, and you know that Player B has 55 CHIMPS medals, you are just as unable to compare their skill as if you didn't know that - all you know is that neither of them are completely new, and Player B spent a lot of time grinding.
Most of the time I see regular CHIMPS mode without Challenge Editor-imposed restrictions mentioned in the BTD6 community is by people using it as a shield to justify NinjaKiwi's microtransactions.

[Nelly]

Oprindeligt skrevet af as1089:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Trick:

Ben is just too OP. Implement his original function into Chimps, and you negate the whole purpose of the mode. Maybe on expert maps it would be fair as those are truly awful on their own.

I mean what is the whole purpose of the mode? Is it really there to be a challenge? It doesn't do a very good job at that. In the majority of maps, Chimps mode is trivial. There are still quite a few maps where it is a challenge, and a few maps where it's genuinely really difficult, but all that difficulty can be removed just by following a video. If you know that Player A has 25 CHIMPS medals, and you know that Player B has 55 CHIMPS medals, you are just as unable to compare their skill as if you didn't know that - all you know is that neither of them are completely new, and Player B spent a lot of time grinding.
Most of the time I see regular CHIMPS mode without Challenge Editor-imposed restrictions mentioned in the BTD6 community is by people using it as a shield to justify NinjaKiwi's microtransactions.

i mean yeah, if you follow a guide any puzzle game isn't going to be challenging. they made it because people were doing it as a self imposed challenge. i think you forget the point of video games is to have fun.

[as1089]

No, this is a problem unique to CHIMPS mode. If you follow a race event or boss event guide, you will get a worse time, guaranteed. You need to have the skill to know what you are doing. See all the comments on boss and race guides every week by people who did not have enough skill complaining that it was "faked".

Also, it's worth considering why guides for CHIMPS mode in particular are popular. On true expert maps, it just isn't fun going pixel-by-pixel to find the only placement for your 3 dart monkeys that works. Nobody wants to do it. It's as much of a puzzle as finding a needle made of straw in a haystack. That is why the community has mostly abandoned true expert map CHIMPS mode as the challenge of choice, and instead choose to go back to easier maps with modifiers.