Heros make co-op miserable.

[grimius]

I have played most of the bloons games and am a long term player of the franchise in general, and something i have always loved about specifically bloonstd5 and battles, was the multiplayer aspects (battles being focused on this).

Yet having played a lot of bloons td6 i have come to the conclusion that the co-op in this game is just awful. I could rant about how flawed co-op is on here but i have done that before. But I want to know other peoples opinions on specifically heroes in Co-Op.

Now, i don't think there is inherently anything wrong with using heroes in co-op, i have been noticing a pattern that is causing me to lose almost 4/5 of my co-op rounds before round 20. This is for heroes like Adora and Benjamin, specifically hero which have a large cost in-game. People, from round one are saving for these expensive heroes from the very start of the game, the same game where you sometimes get less than half of the money you usually would. With heroes like adora, you could argue this is intelligent as she is a fantastic early game starting hero. But even then, when 3/4 people from round 1 save for their hero which cost 1000 without putting any other tower down or even making any effort to help the few players actually trying to keep the bloon away. Do not save for an expensive hero like Benjamin when we are nearing death, since heroes usually are not even that powerful until you reach a certain round. In btd5, this is not at all an issue for obvious reasons. Heroes should either have a round lock, or just be completely disabled in co-op since people invest to much into them for to little reward. I will also say this for banana farms. Stop trying to buy a banana farm so early in a co-op game. we will die.

some of you will probably disagree with me completely, but this is an opinion i wanted to state.

[Cowmunist Leader Moo Zedong]

I'll argue that the MK that increases hero xp gain by 5% per player in co-op would be better used just making the hero free to place in co-op. Their xp curve is balanced around single player and since their xp income is diminished for every other hero placed they're just as useful as the free dart monkey (or glue) that people place at the start that also never gets upgraded.

And yeah, you see that that's how most people use their hero. Set and forget for the rest of the run.

[grimius]

I argue if you are willing to play adora and you lean you entire chash flow into her with blood sacrifices you can get a posotive outcome, playing adora and putting 80% of your profits into her is a very viable option, i have done so many times and have been by far the best performing player damage wise, but even that requires a lot of effort

[Cowmunist Leader Moo Zedong]

Yeah the only two heroes I consider "good" in Co-op are Adora and Ben.

Ben because he gets his full usefulness at lvl 4 and you share the skimming cash.
Adora because sacrifices can make up for the lack of natural xp gain. She's by far my favorite to take into co-op.

New thought I just had: imagine if Sacrifice distributed its xp gain across all the heroes.

[grimius]

That would be fantastic, it would make adora a fantastic support hero for levelling up heroes on top of already being op. She is also amazing for multi-track maps since a lot of people cant place on certain parts of the map (if map split is on) adora can handle 2 tracks on her own.

[Mami The Beer Baron]

Originally posted by Milordog1:

Yeah the only two heroes I consider "good" in Co-op are Adora and Ben.

Ben because he gets his full usefulness at lvl 4 and you share the skimming cash.
Adora because sacrifices can make up for the lack of natural xp gain. She's by far my favorite to take into co-op.

New thought I just had: imagine if Sacrifice distributed its xp gain across all the heroes.

churchill is pretty helpful in boss events tho too

[Tsubame ⭐]

How are you losing so many games? I can understand the occasional loss, but 80% loss rate?

If you see others saving for hero or whatever first thing - which I do not often see - maybe try giving out a little cash away, so they can buy whatever they want to buy? I often do see people AFKing for a bit in the beginning, either saving or just not playing at all, this does not impede me from carrying the game, unless on specific maps in split mode.

You can also get some people who are on the same page, from Steam or Discord, and play together as opposed with randoms.

[Zero]

Originally posted by Milordog1:

Yeah the only two heroes I consider "good" in Co-op are Adora and Ben.

Etienne says hi.

[VJFranzK]

Always place your hero ASAP! so they level up along with the bloons increasing.
no other unit does this by itself, of course

if buying Geraldo, save enough to buy the collectors figure immediately! or never again.

They are one of the funnest parts of BTD6! choosing a different one changes the game.

[grimius]

Originally posted by VJFranzK:

Always place your hero ASAP! so they level up along with the bloons increasing.
no other unit does this by itself, of course

if buying Geraldo, save enough to buy the collectors figure immediately! or never again.

They are one of the funnest parts of BTD6! choosing a different one changes the game.

Yeah but in co-op the xp gain is so low, heroes usualy do little to nothing in the mid game because of it

[grimius]

Originally posted by Tsubame ⭐:

How are you losing so many games? I can understand the occasional loss, but 80% loss rate?

If you see others saving for hero or whatever first thing - which I do not often see - maybe try giving out a little cash away, so they can buy whatever they want to buy? I often do see people AFKing for a bit in the beginning, either saving or just not playing at all, this does not impede me from carrying the game, unless on specific maps in split mode.

You can also get some people who are on the same page, from Steam or Discord, and play together as opposed with randoms.

and then you are lucky, people saving for heros from the very start is agonisingly common (in my experiance at least) and dpending on the gamemode, heros can cost upwards of 1k, im not donating all of my money for a hero which does nothing but generate the owner of it little cash, since that is almost always the one i see people do this with. I will also admit i exaggerated a bit when i said 4/5, but it still happen almost 50|% of the time

[patio.gurnisson]

the start was promising, co-op without heroes might play quite different.

i would also note that saving makes sense when co-op players want to beat round 100 or higher. when you know you can beat round 40 with 3 towers (or even round 100 if the map allows it), you don't spend much and have extra cash. and then, if you don't want to waste it, you put it into the economy. and then, having played a number of games you figure that you could put them into economy very early. and still survive. less experienced players could be worried but hey, they just have to learn.

the less experienced players are also worrying when lives are being lost to early camo bloons, that is when you try to pump up the xx2 druids. but lives are just another resource you can spend if the modes are not impoppable or chimps. and if you don't spend it you waste it.

[Joshua Kurayami]

Would be neat if there was MK that lets you buy the hero anytime but whatever amount of money that is missing has to be paid right after before you're able to buy anything else, kinda like a loan.

[Ittrix]

I mean this isn't really an issue with heroes.
This is an issue with people who save for something expensive and then ignore what they need in the meantime.

[grimius]

Originally posted by Ittrix:

I mean this isn't really an issue with heroes.
This is an issue with people who save for something expensive and then ignore what they need in the meantime.

honestly, yeah i agree, heroes is just the one i said since its in my experiance the most common

[Cowmunist Leader Moo Zedong]

Originally posted by Zero:

Originally posted by Milordog1:

Yeah the only two heroes I consider "good" in Co-op are Adora and Ben.

Etienne says hi.

Nahp. Takes too long for him to get to lvl 8 without investing in him (good luck getting whomever brought him to buy levels) and by that time you should already have enough camo detection that it's redundant. Couple this with the fact that he won't level enough to make himself all too powerful and he just can't reach "good" status. I put him in "decent" tier.