Geraldo's paragon totems

[Dragapult]

I tried the new hero and I have to say that it looks very balanced and fun to use. The only item that I feel should be reworked is the paragon totem. The concept is interesting, but in the end I think that using it effectively where it is meant to (boss events) Is impossible rigth now. Not only the power granted from each totem is incredibly low considering its price, but you also have to place an insane amount of them making getting a good level paragon even more of a nightmare than it was previously. If this item will not be powered up I think that, once the hype is gone, everyone is going to use Benjamin again for boss events. That would be unfortunate to have just one viable strategy on the funniest mode of the game.

My edit idea: increase the price of each totem to 100k, and get the power it gives increase from 1500 to 25 000. It would make the process less click intesive (because getting a paragon is already extremely frustrating on this regard) and actually a viable strategy for late game. With this method It would also be possible to use the totems to boost more paragons if you farmed enougth to get the money required. Currently, even with alot of money available, you can boost significantly just one paragon since you have just a phew of those that can be placed.
Again if totems are not powered up benjamin will return as the best and only viable hero in boss events, and less variety and options is never a good thing.

with this change ben would be better in early game but geraldo could make up for it with a better lategame.

[SandTag]

Publicado originalmente por Dragapult:

I tried the new hero and I have to say that it looks very balanced and fun to use. The only item that I feel should be reworked is the paragon totem. The concept is interesting, but in the end I think that using it effectively where it is meant to (boss events) Is impossible rigth now. Not only the power granted from each totem is incredibly low considering its price, but you also have to place an insane amount of them making getting a good level paragon even more of a nightmare than it was previously. If this item will not be powered up I think that, once the hype is gone, everyone is going to use Benjamin again for boss events. That would be unfortunate to have just one viable strategy on the funniest mode of the game.

My edit idea: increase the price of each totem to 100k, and get the power it gives increase from 1500 to 25 000. It would make the process less click intesive (because getting a paragon is already extremely frustrating on this regard) and actually a viable strategy for late game. With this method It would also be possible to use the totems to boost more paragons if you farmed enougth to get the money required. Currently, even with alot of money available, you can boost significantly just one paragon since you have just a phew of those that can be placed.
Again if totems are not powered up benjamin will return as the best and only viable hero in boss events, and less variety and options is never a good thing.

with this change ben would be better in early game but geraldo could make up for it with a better lategame.

This is far too much of a price buff, the idea though is good and the totems should be bigger rather than numerate.

20k -> 100k
1.5k(P) -> 7.5k(P)

This would be a fair trade up.

[Dragapult]

Publicado originalmente por SandTag:

Publicado originalmente por Dragapult:

I tried the new hero and I have to say that it looks very balanced and fun to use. The only item that I feel should be reworked is the paragon totem. The concept is interesting, but in the end I think that using it effectively where it is meant to (boss events) Is impossible rigth now. Not only the power granted from each totem is incredibly low considering its price, but you also have to place an insane amount of them making getting a good level paragon even more of a nightmare than it was previously. If this item will not be powered up I think that, once the hype is gone, everyone is going to use Benjamin again for boss events. That would be unfortunate to have just one viable strategy on the funniest mode of the game.

My edit idea: increase the price of each totem to 100k, and get the power it gives increase from 1500 to 25 000. It would make the process less click intesive (because getting a paragon is already extremely frustrating on this regard) and actually a viable strategy for late game. With this method It would also be possible to use the totems to boost more paragons if you farmed enougth to get the money required. Currently, even with alot of money available, you can boost significantly just one paragon since you have just a phew of those that can be placed.
Again if totems are not powered up benjamin will return as the best and only viable hero in boss events, and less variety and options is never a good thing.

with this change ben would be better in early game but geraldo could make up for it with a better lategame.

This is far too much of a price buff, the idea though is good and the totems should be bigger rather than numerate.

20k -> 100k
1.5k(P) -> 7.5k(P)

This would be a fair trade up.

the problem is that, if we keep the current rate power/money for totems, nobody is going to use them for the boss events. The money is simply better spent on another paragon/VTSG. Currently they are used for the "cool/new" factor, but once this is gone there aren't many reasons to spend money on those totems. There are much better options. Currently its just a nice addition to the game that doesn't really impact anything other than ultra lategames in standard modes.

I feel that, when NK created this item for Geraldo, the purpose was to use it in boss events (since paragons themeselves were created for this specific event having extra damage to boss bloons).

[SandTag]

Publicado originalmente por Dragapult:

Publicado originalmente por SandTag:

This is far too much of a price buff, the idea though is good and the totems should be bigger rather than numerate.

20k -> 100k
1.5k(P) -> 7.5k(P)

This would be a fair trade up.

the problem is that, if we keep the current rate power/money for totems, nobody is going to use them for the boss events. The money is simply better spent on another paragon/VTSG. Currently they are used for the "cool/new" factor, but once this is gone there aren't many reasons to spend money on those totems. There are much better options. Currently its just a nice addition to the game that doesn't really impact anything other than ultra lategames in standard modes.

I feel that, when NK created this item for Geraldo, the purpose was to use it in boss events (since paragons themeselves were created for this specific event having extra damage to boss bloons).

...? what on earth are you talking about?

The paragon totems are incredibly useful for pushing paragons past thresholds, which make them more than twice as strong. Its well worth the money as is, its just annoying having to buy and resell geraldo.

[Evilsod]

Publicado originalmente por SandTag:

...? what on earth are you talking about?

The paragon totems are incredibly useful for pushing paragons past thresholds, which make them more than twice as strong. Its well worth the money as is, its just annoying having to buy and resell geraldo.

Thresholds?
Half the current problem with Paragons is, what the actual ♥♥♥♥ does 'Degree' do? So the totems give me 1500 power... um, great? I have no idea what these thresholds are for the paragons, I just assume a bigger number is better, but have no idea how much so.

The only use I can legitimately see for these totems is to enable you to get a Paragon 100 for the achievement in singleplayer. Other than that, you might drop a few of them as you go along in a boss event (because why not if you're farming enough), but you aren't gonna go all in on them. They're just too clunky to use in normal circumstances.

[Ackranome]

It seems to just be to do the achievement.

[kaitou1011]

Publicado originalmente por Dragapult:

making getting a good level paragon even more of a nightmare than it was previously

You realise that these totems give power on top of any power you achieve through the "previous" way, right? You're not supposed to be using totems in place of getting pops with the relevant towers and getting the correct value of sacrifices, they're a way to get some extra power on top of doing all those things. If you're in four player and could get a max level paragon regardless, they can allow you to get a max level paragon a little sooner if your pop requirement hasn't been met yet, but in three player or less the idea is clearly to meet as many requirements as you can and also use some paragon totems for an extra boost of power.

And IDK about the rest of you, and I don't play ranked, but I've never counted exact power and requirements for max levels in boss events, because with the rounds starting automatically it doesn't feel like there's time to do so. I know the requirements, and I'm sure I meet the sacrifice requirements easily enough, but in terms of pops I just upgrade the paragon when I need it, regardless if it's got enough pops to be the maximum power it could be or not. Being able to throw some paragon totems down every round or so has really improved my paragon power significantly. I can't speak for ranked boss players tho.

Publicado originalmente por Dragapult:

increase the price of each totem to 100k, and get the power it gives increase from 1500 to 25 000.

Sorry, but I laughed at this. A level 100 paragon has 200,000 power. Your suggestion is that 8 paragon totems should max out paragon power, at a price of 800k. That's ridiculously cheap and easy and would entirely change the balance of the game and boss events. Paragon totems aren't meant as a substitute for the existing methods of paragon powering, they're a boost to anyone not playing 4 player.

Also, even if you don't love Geraldo for boss events, I gotta say that in one player freeplay when you can turn off auto-start, you can use totems to get high level paragons by selling and rebuying him to restock his shop. I'm currently playing a high level freeplay game in one player just to see how far four level 100 paragons (and of course a VTSG) can do, and imo I think he really changes the game for freeplay.

[Red Sword]

I suggest NK rework the totems like this instead:
Added power from 1500 -> 5000 (Like originally intended)
Price increased $20,000 -> $27,000
Since you're missing 90,000 power for Degree 100, this makes it so that you only need to invest an extra $486,000 for the 18 totems needed for the missing power instead of investing an extra $1.2 million for the 60 totems
This change not only makes it less spammy, but also gives a lot less wait time for Geraldo to restock the totems. I know you can buy and re-sell Gerlado to restock immediately, but that is finger-numbing, time-consuming, and very, very, very expensive