Are players cheating?

[OldGamer]

So I am not sure how these time attack's work. I don't know how you can do 80 rounds in under 5 minutes?

I either die (if I go to fast) or go over their time.

I am guessing its a certain strategy or they are cheating?

[OldGamer]

Originally posted by MaxBlue001:

Originally posted by OldGamer:

That wasn't what I was saying. I just wanted to know could it be done.

I know I am not the best at the game, especially anything timed. (not anymore - when I was younger maybe)

I am a more methodical type than speed.

I was more reacting to ninjazyborg and rukashu tbf (although you did considerered top players cheating. It may be true for the very top, but not all).

I questioned, never said they were. I think you inferred that :)
or I have to be clearer next time. Either way.


Thank you for all the answers. I am watching a few YT videos on it and reading the wiki to fully get the towers.
I tended to just play casually and throw any tower that worked down (or trying to get XP to get to the paragons, so I use Aces purely on XP grinding for instance).

[Tsubame ⭐]

Originally posted by OldGamer:

Originally posted by MaxBlue001:

Players be like: "if i can't do it, then it's illegal, and everyone should be perma banned"

That wasn't what I was saying. I just wanted to know could it be done.

I know I am not the best at the game, especially anything timed. (not anymore - when I was younger maybe)

I am a more methodical type than speed.

Races are all about trying to set up your towers as quickly as possible to deal with as many waves at the same time as possible.

They should never be played on fast forward, due to the high amount of micro management required.

If you have not noticed, races do allow you to release as many waves as possible, all of them at the same time if you wish. The trick is to figure out how to set up things and how many waves to release at the same time and actually beating them instead of getting a game over screen.

Races are definitely beatable under 5 minutes. Usually for each weekly event there are people posting videos how to do so. Under 3 minutes for the achievement is trickier, but still possible.

[Potato Moose]

do you get the money from the previous wave once you send in the next wave, or do you have to pop all the bloons from a wave to get the money? Wouldnt it be ideal to build a strategy around rushing wave based income towers like merchant man, quickly spam waves to make money and then place a high tier T5 to clear everything out in a near instant?
im assuming its possible but very hard since you need to either be really fast with micro or somehow counter the rush of pink bloons bulldozing your hp without spending too much.

[HoneyDrake]

Originally posted by Potato Moose:

do you get the money from the previous wave once you send in the next wave, or do you have to pop all the bloons from a wave to get the money? Wouldnt it be ideal to build a strategy around rushing wave based income towers like merchant man, quickly spam waves to make money and then place a high tier T5 to clear everything out in a near instant?
im assuming its possible but very hard since you need to either be really fast with micro or somehow counter the rush of pink bloons bulldozing your hp without spending too much.

Every wave has certain Bloons attached to them. You pop them you get the wave clear reward (and heroes lvl up/and end of round effects trigger at that point).

A great strategy is popping multiply bloons at the same time, but not everything of a wave. Aka "all at once" instead of "one by one", at least this race.

So you collect enough money to buy Benjamin, you have still not popped most rounds/they have not escaped, and right after placing it the waves die so you gain tons of bonus income you would have missed otherwise from doing it one by one.

Most races don't even go that far that you afford yourself an T5, outside of special towers like Tack Zone. Races on CTF (the team mode where you capture tiles, from which some are races) on the other hand.. sure.

There are tons of towers which can be spammed and it's well adviced to do so instead of investing in T5's. Just because accumulating money is wasting time -> spending money equals to more waves being able to be send equals to faster times.

[Ninja Zyborg]

Originally posted by Honey Drake:

Most races don't even go that far that you afford yourself an T5, outside of special towers like Tack Zone. Races on CTF (the team mode where you capture tiles, from which some are races) on the other hand.. sure.

There are tons of towers which can be spammed and it's well adviced to do so instead of investing in T5's. Just because accumulating money is wasting time -> spending money equals to more waves being able to be send equals to faster times.

Actually, it's fairly common to get a T5 like Ultra Jug or Glaive Lord

[snaketeeth01]

I would be happy to see race mode removed from the game.
Once I have the 3 minute achievement I will never need to enter a race again.

Even if you try copying a video on how to beat a race. Good luck remembering every step.
Then have "fun" throwing a massive pile of bux down the drain in restarted attempts.

Without hesitation race mode is the most anti fun mode BTD has to offer.
I actually hate this mode.

CT I don't care about, it can exist.
But races is something different entirely.
It's stupid anti fun.
Not even remotely any sliver of fun at all. It adds nothing for anybody. Remove it.

[snaketeeth01]

Here is how to do current challenge in under 2 minutes.

https://youtu.be/GHjq9LkvL84

Tell me how this is fun.
What is the enjoyment in creating this build order?
What is the enjoyment of activating how many round rushes?
Then build this, then that. then this.
Oh the exact how many steps? 45 steps? in specific order and timing?

here is the video.
But go ahead and memorize it. Then wast 2k bux as you try to replicate it in failures while your rage boils.

Notice how cretors offer absolute 0 advice.
You get music.
No tips on what is actually hapenning here to make this possible.
These videos are of no help.
Who finds this fun?
Who looks forward to another race coming out so you can do this again?
BS.
I hate this mode. It's so trash.

[snaketeeth01]

Written Guide:
1.) Ace 010 (fig. inf.), Free Dart Monkey
2.) Ben, Round 27 at 35s, Wizard 020 into 022
3.) Boomerang 200, Round 30, sell Free Dart Monkey
4.) Boomerang 300, Round 39, Boomerang 302
5.) Bomb 200, sell Ace for 300 Bomb, Bomb 320
6.) Bomb, Round 48 at ~54s, Bomb 320
7.) Third 320 Bomb, Ben Ability, Wizard 023, Round 49
8.) Bomb 031 (strong), Bomb 030 (strong), Round 50
9.) Heli 320, 3x 320 Bomb at the start
10.) Sell x3x Bombs to rebuy them at the start (3x 031 Bomb (strong))
11.) Get as many 022 Snipers as you can to pop the last bloon as fast as possible
12.) Sell Towers (Boomerang & Bombs) to buy more 022 Snipers


Fun?
How?
How? How is this remotely any fun for anybody?
I hate this.
Go ahead and commit this to memory.

This is why so few players sit on the top times. Because nobody actually gives a dam except clout chasers. And they won't actually help you to do what they do otherwise you'd push them off their position.

You get a video and a list of words.
This does not in any respect help with comprehension of this garbage game mode.

[HoneyDrake]

Originally posted by snaketeeth01:

Fun?
How?
How? How is this remotely any fun for anybody?
I hate this.
Go ahead and commit this to memory.

This is why so few players sit on the top times. Because nobody actually gives a dam except clout chasers. And they won't actually help you to do what they do otherwise you'd push them off their position.

You get a video and a list of words.
This does not in any respect help with comprehension of this garbage game mode.

what you have seen is one of multiply examples. I got below 3 min by not even using Benjamin or the Ace, yet alone bomb shooter. Sure, not a top time, but definitly possible to get below 3 min if you learn to position your towers properly, get a decent feeling on their potential and also understand which waves are possible/difficult. Pacing is an important skill even outside races.

Round 28 will have leads, 38 Ceramics, 45 fortified lead
Round 24 first camo, 33 second wave of camos, 59 lead camos
Round 40 has an MOAB, 60 an BFB

Ohh, wait, there are similarities in what I said and the waves that guide tells you to slow down? WHHHHHAAAAAAT?!?!?


Listen here: I am understanding your frustration but this is a game mode which is really close to optimizing your knowledge of the base game and all you need is to formulate a decent plan on creating a functioning build.

"Ohh, I have mostly magic damage, round 25 will be purples, let me pick up something to deal with it" and voila, no more panic.

Let me pick up that guide and explain it to you what is important:

Round 27 because on 28 is the first lead. He had nothing against it, so you slow down and get yourself to deal with it. A fire wall does a decent job, also setting the wizard to "strong" will make him prioritize healthy leads with his fireballs.

30 -> on 31 there are zebras, they split up into white and black bloons. Black ones are the issue here, due explosive dmg immunity. He lacks enough basic dmg to kill all of them, upgrading his boomerang is enough to fix that "issue".

39 to 40 is easy. Moab. He lacks damage to deal with it. If you have not realised it: Moabs have 250% more health in this race.

48 to 49. Just some spacing. He just spawned a lot of leads and ceramics. 49 will spawn tons of ceramics + zerbras and regrows.

The rest? Seems to be explained properly already.


Races showcase how good people are with their knowledge and planning. It requires more than having a build and rely on the low tempo that you get through a wave with barely any issues. But rushing 15 waves at the same time, managing multiply towers at once... even buying, calculating HP loss due leaks, etc is quite fun.


Not every mode has to be casually friendly.

[ Movikx ]

the minimum i see was 1~ nothing less than that, but thats for easy races and top players, fennix killah usually do a race tutorial every week and most of the times its around 2:30~ so you just gotta see the right monkey and strat for the specific race

[snaketeeth01]

This race is about standard bloon releases.
Previous week was custom waves.
Starts on round 6 facing camo immediately. Into regrow ceramic, into fortified MOAB.
Custom waves exist.
Either research and know this. Or be crushed by it and spend bux in learning.

This is is entirely unfriendly to casual. It's hardcore or nothing.
It's a bleed of Bux.

My current time is 3:09 and I did not use the strategy in the video i had shared.
Couldn't even just get that 9 seconds sooner and never race again Nope.
The torture continues.
Oh yeah. Real fun hitting replay and spending bux because I had to rush to get my time that few seconds tighter.
Fun is the operative word here.
Real enjoyable experience.

When in actuality I have more fun playing 3 player co ops just to see how a mix of players handle random maps.

At the time I scored 3:09 I was ranked 640 global.
At this current time I have already been shoved to mid 900's.
By morning I expect my rank will be sub 1000.
And I give absolutely 0 care about my position. You could not force me to care about global rank. It doesn't need to exist. I ignore it. Don't need it. It adds nothing for anybody.

All this means is that as hours of the race pass. My score value lessons because others outperform me.
You either keep up and continue to improve your score to maintain your rank position or you fall off.
It's competition by design. In a competition you either win or lose.
By simply participating you are losing to everybody above you.
Isn't that fun? Doesn't that just make ya feel good inside?

Knowing that your time was not good enough to get the achievement.
And that no matter how good you do or how good you think you are.
You are trash. Somebody else did it better.
Actually hundreds of people did it better.
You just suck. Git gud already. Know all the details.

Do I get to just play BTD 6 any way I want now?
Not yet. Nope.
Here I am with 89% achievement completion in this game hunting down the last ones I need.
And I cannot quit races until i get this horrible unfun achievement done and out of the way.
I do not want to commit these BS strats to memory.
I do not want to learn this game mode.
I hate this game mode.
When i see all this garbage nonsense it is exactly that. unapproachable unfriendly unappealing garbage that is holding me back from 100% achievements until I deal with it.
How is that fun?

It's trash.
Somehow you are just supposed to know by intuition when you do or do not have too many bloons on screen.
As if it is anything outside of luck that I scored 9 seconds outside of 3 minute mark.
I can argue that I did all of the proper towers in the right place at the right times. But could have skipped a couple waves just that bit sooner.
Could have got just another "effective tower" to hold back a flood of bloons.
But 9 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ seconds.
9 seconds.
As if I am just supposed to somehow magically KNOW what tiny difference I could have made.
Oh and if i wanna try again.
Spend the bux.
Fun.
And if I fail because I am doing the exact same thing i just did only tighter and over send.
Fail.
Spend bux.
have fun.
It's just horrible.

You score a 6 minute time and just trying to hit 5.
You have an entire minute of ghost time to chase in which you will stress and over send likely to kill yourself and deplete bux far faster than any source can provide to farm and replace them.

Every single aspect of race mode from design to implementation is anti-fun.

[Potato Moose]

i think a non payed mode for races with a fixed small / half decent reward wouldve been nice since it allows you to practice without risk as a newer player. the current race mode could be the equivalent of elite boss mode where you have to either get a really really good time to get the rewards or go further and compete for some really rare rewards by entering top 10 or top 3 on the leaderboards.
hardcore players have tons of cash so retries are not a problem for them. i like the way they did bosses because normal mode bosses are decently hard but not extremely hard. you will think its impossible the first time you try it because you arent prepared for the skulls, but eventually you learn to work around it.
elite bosses are obviously very very hard so naturally pro players will be attracted to it, and while there is no competition against other players in boss mode, there is in races. beginner players have to compete with elite boss destroying monsters with hours of knowledge and that´s obviously gonna make you go ´how in the world am i meant to beat that?!?!´, especially when you only get a few chances of entering one.

[kaitou1011]

Originally posted by snaketeeth01:

This is is entirely unfriendly to casual. It's hardcore or nothing.

Not every gamemode needs to be built for every player. If everything was balanced for casual, hardcore players will be unhappy. There needs to be gamemodes for everyone, events for everyone, ect.

Originally posted by snaketeeth01:

My current time is 3:09 and I did not use the strategy in the video i had shared.
Couldn't even just get that 9 seconds sooner and never race again Nope.
The torture continues.
Oh yeah. Real fun hitting replay and spending bux because I had to rush to get my time that few seconds tighter.
Fun is the operative word here.
Real enjoyable experience.

In terms of the achiveo, my recommendation is not to try for the under three minutes in any and every race until you get it. I would call myself pretty casual, and I have it. The trick isn't to enter a lot of races and perfect your times, the trick as a casual player is to wait until you stumble across a particularly good race for getting a low time and commit to getting it then.

For the record, you don't need to get every achievement as a casual player-- most games that have any competitive aspects at all build their achievement lists specifically so that there are challenges that are not meant to be obtained through "casual" play.

Originally posted by snaketeeth01:

At the time I scored 3:09 I was ranked 640 global.
At this current time I have already been shoved to mid 900's.
By morning I expect my rank will be sub 1000.
And I give absolutely 0 care about my position. You could not force me to care about global rank. It doesn't need to exist. I ignore it. Don't need it. It adds nothing for anybody.

All this means is that as hours of the race pass. My score value lessons because others outperform me.
You either keep up and continue to improve your score to maintain your rank position or you fall off.
It's competition by design. In a competition you either win or lose.
By simply participating you are losing to everybody above you.
Isn't that fun? Doesn't that just make ya feel good inside?
Knowing that your time was not good enough to get the achievement.
And that no matter how good you do or how good you think you are.
You are trash. Somebody else did it better.
Actually hundreds of people did it better.
You just suck. Git gud already. Know all the details. [ect]

Seems like a you problem.

There is absolutely a decent amount of rewards you can get from just getting a respectable score in races without having to aim for the top ranks. If your'e a casual player, the top ranks aren't the level you're playing at. Be realistic and set goals that are more obtainable. Play races in the way that's fun to you and enjoy getting a few extra rewards a week for the mini-race and for top 75% or higher, or don't. Leader boards aren't meant to reward casual players, that's literally the whole point. If you're not happy when you're anywhere but the top of a leader board, then I recommend you deal with that emotionally before you play games with leaderboards.

A whole game mode doesn't need to get removed because you can't handle being a good sport.

[ttv.JackTheRipperGamerBR]

easy race

[Max]

first off, the first few slots at the top of the race LB (outside of the clearly experienced racers- ie the low level accounts with ridiculous times) those are usually hacked, nk removes those and corrects the LB before prizes are given out- (and flags them which is why theyre low level accounts, theyd need a new account to participate again)

second off, in races you can send waves all at once if you so chose, so long as you survive to kill all the bloons you spawned, realistically they send waves in specific increments based on the map and towers available- race time is real time and increasing game speed will also increase the clock speed(which is bad) so you always play on 1x; its also just impractical to do the tower placements, abilities, selling buying etc which bloons are moving fast speed

to be good at races you *have to* learn your hotkeys, all of them, learn the waves, learn all the tower mechanics including stats not specifically listed in game (things like pierce); know how many waves you can send and clear at once which you can get an idea for after awhile buts its usually trial and error; and on top of all of that be able to execute all of that very quickly

its not easy, i would never recommend racing without a pass, getting a good time usually takes hours of grinding (though i dont race) it took me about 4 hours to get a time under 3 minutes on one of the easier races, which is still a farcry from a meaningful prize