This Odyssey is stupid.

[Zero]

You lose anything you place for the rest of the Odyssey? Really?

That's not "fun" or "challenging," it's just stupid. All that does is make people (like me) quit and not bother with it.

Listen, NK...not everyone who plays your game is a try-hard. Some of us just want to play the game. Quit with the stupid rules on things. All it does is waste people's time.

[caw]

All the reasons you just gave has only 1 solution: copy someone else who has done it.

[Zero]

Originally posted by 1joebamaRipSkinMan2020:

All the reasons you just gave has only 1 solution: copy someone else who has done it. :lunar2019coolpig:

That's boring, though.

[caw]

Originally posted by Zero:

Originally posted by 1joebamaRipSkinMan2020:

All the reasons you just gave has only 1 solution: copy someone else who has done it.

That's boring, though.

bruh.... really

how about this... think of it this way... you get to learn by watching someone better than you!

[DarkMatter]

If I am able to beat this without monkey knowledge and power ups and instas so could you.

http://www.twitch.tv/darkmatt3r_2/v/882244712?sr=a&t=125s

[Zero]

I think you guys are misunderstanding me. I didn't say it was hard, I said it was stupid. I don't feel like wasting my time on pointless restrictions. Some of the restrictions are fine, but I don't feel like planning out my monkey placement for five maps in advance. It's just a waste of time to me.

[DarkMatter]

Originally posted by Zero:

I think you guys are misunderstanding me. I didn't say it was hard, I said it was stupid. I don't feel like wasting my time on pointless restrictions. Some of the restrictions are fine, but I don't feel like planning out my monkey placement for five maps in advance. It's just a waste of time to me.

That's point of the odyssey. Plan ahead or risk re-doing everything.

[Hiroko]

I like the limited use odysseys. It teaches you to combo towers and upgrades better, and the planning ahead adds another layer of difficulty. Especially fun when alch is banned.

[caw]

Originally posted by Zero:

I think you guys are misunderstanding me. I didn't say it was hard, I said it was stupid. I don't feel like wasting my time on pointless restrictions. Some of the restrictions are fine, but I don't feel like planning out my monkey placement for five maps in advance. It's just a waste of time to me.

then odyssey is not the right content for you

[Atari]

Originally posted by Hiroko:

I like the limited use odysseys. It teaches you to combo towers and upgrades better, and the planning ahead adds another layer of difficulty. Especially fun when alch is banned.

I totally agree. The Hard Odyssey this time is one of my favorite Odysseys yet.

[PichuYang]

Originally posted by Hiroko:

I like the limited use odysseys. It teaches you to combo towers and upgrades better, and the planning ahead adds another layer of difficulty. Especially fun when alch is banned.

I think this statement is far more than that.
In most TD games we played, all we have to do is to follow the spamming train, CJ!
In BTD6, yes, we do have farms, we do have some sort of "skills" (Monkey Knowledge). We can spam normally like most TD do. But what makes it fun isn't just the tower variation, but CHIMPS mode.

CHIMPS mode is a mode to test us on how much we valued on tower, and Extreme Odyssey is just a "tutorial". Even without reading the warning on Extreme mode, after passing 1st map, most players can already has a sense of "which tower isn't necessary?".

I do agree that not everyone has same mindset, but most players do, it's just the matter of time. When they develop such sense, not only they do better in CHIMPS, but they also value a particular upgrade outside from CHIMPS, and learn how to stop using MK plus "over-eco". They find the game much more fun bcs there are so many things to try, from what they learnt in Extreme Odyssey.

The constant game balancing that NK put more than any other TD games you could ever find is just making it much better.

Originally posted by Zero:

That's not "fun" or "challenging," it's just stupid. All that does is make people (like me) quit and not bother with it.

Spamming towers with no economy issue is not fun or challenging.

[Zero]

Originally posted by CatChu:

I do agree that not everyone has same mindset, but most players do, it's just the matter of time. When they develop such sense, not only they do better in CHIMPS, but they also value a particular upgrade outside from CHIMPS, and learn how to stop using MK plus "over-eco". The constant game balancing that NK put more than any other TD games you could ever find is just making it much better.

Originally posted by Zero:

That's not "fun" or "challenging," it's just stupid. All that does is make people (like me) quit and not bother with it.

Spamming towers with no economy issue is not fun or challenging.

I don't think most players do. Not a single person I've ever run into when playing with randoms does, for example.

I don't spam towers, either, but I'd like to at least get a dart and sniper for each map, not for just two of them.

[Delta]

Originally posted by CatChu:

Originally posted by Hiroko:

I like the limited use odysseys. It teaches you to combo towers and upgrades better, and the planning ahead adds another layer of difficulty. Especially fun when alch is banned.

I think this statement is far more than that.
In most TD games we played, all we have to do is to follow the spamming train, CJ!
In BTD6, yes, we do have farms, we do have some sort of "skills" (Monkey Knowledge). We can spam normally like most TD do. But what makes it fun isn't just the tower variation, but CHIMPS mode.

CHIMPS mode is a mode to test us on how much we valued on tower, and Extreme Odyssey is just a "tutorial". Even without reading the warning on Extreme mode, after passing 1st map, most players can already has a sense of "which tower isn't necessary?".

I do agree that not everyone has same mindset, but most players do, it's just the matter of time. When they develop such sense, not only they do better in CHIMPS, but they also value a particular upgrade outside from CHIMPS, and learn how to stop using MK plus "over-eco". The constant game balancing that NK put more than any other TD games you could ever find is just making it much better.

Originally posted by Zero:

That's not "fun" or "challenging," it's just stupid. All that does is make people (like me) quit and not bother with it.

Spamming towers with no economy issue is not fun or challenging.

(to be fair seeing all the cool powerful towers after earning them through battling long rounds of equally powerful bloons is pretty satisfying)

[PichuYang]

Originally posted by Zero:

I don't think most players do. Not a single person I've ever run into when playing with randoms does, for example.

Because this game has a very large range of playerbase, the game cannot be designed to satisfy certain group of players only. Extreme mode is actually standing in the between line, as what I would call a "tutorial" to beat Beginner map CHIMPS. If Extreme mode is actually too extreme, I would expect players complain that Trophies are only for hardcore. I am not Race mode player as well, and not expert player too.

Originally posted by Zero:

I don't spam towers, either, but I'd like to at least get a dart and sniper for each map, not for just two of them.

I like Dart, and I like Triple Darts and Crossbow too. But Extreme mode teach me to value towers like Tack. Tack is actually pretty amazing in strategic position and serves into early, mid and late game.

If you feel uncomfortable, limit to 3 per Island and dump the rest at last Island. Hero is always there and can be sold. Yes, selling Hero can gets you into important upgrade like 0-2-4 Sniper in R28. But do not try to sell Monkey. It has bugs when you reload Saves, I have reported the bug and believed many others did.

Originally posted by AzuriteDelta:

(to be fair seeing all the cool powerful towers after earning them through battling long rounds of equally powerful bloons is pretty satisfying)

You will be using less towers, more hard-earned Tier 5 in Extreme Odyssey, trusts me.
And see how well they do, I have seen many unexpected results.

[Ackranome]

It is an easy odyssey - last week's was far worse.

Also, this Odyssey will teach most people how to do CHIMPs maps for roughly 60% of starts with just a few monkeys.

[PichuYang]

Originally posted by Ackranome:

It is an easy odyssey - last week's was far worse.

I thought it is better because it teaches newer players to understand Striker Jones' abilities and Alchemist start?