Ice vs glue

[Raven Hare]

Does ice and glue work together when applied to a balloon or do they cancel each other out?
Had ice and glue placed together and it looked like that the ice removed the glue?

[Ninja Zyborg]

not sure if the effects stack, exactly, but they don't remove each other.

[PichuYang]

For the slowing formula, I don't know how it works. But...
If I disable Monkey Knowledge, open Workshop map, Hard Sandbox.
Place desired tower, then start Stopwatch, spawn Ghost bloon. (No Fast Forward, Round 3)

1) Permaforst effect (can sell Ice after first freeze)
19 seconds to leak

2) Glue across the track instead
14 seconds to leak

3) Keep Glue on screen but do (1) again
35 seconds to leak

Round 300 single MOAB

1) 0-1-5 Icicle Impale
14 seconds to leak

2) 0-1-5 Icicle Impale + 0-X-4 MOAB Glue
22 seconds to leak

They stack.

[Raven Hare]

Welp, cheers for the background check.
Then I will keep placing them together, many thanks.

[PichuYang]

I think I have to clarify this.
The main purpose of low tier Ice is for stalling Ceramic/Super Ceramic. If you use Permaforst + Re-Freeze, it is not gonna work (unless you intend to use Ice Shard effect).

0-1-2 is the best crosspath to stall.

[Mini]

Ice towers are surprisingly good for popping bloons if you go bottom path. For overall stalling I think I prefer glue, unless you can afford impale. I’m pretty sure impale out performs super glue.

[Ninja Zyborg]

Originally posted by Mini:

Ice towers are surprisingly good for popping bloons if you go bottom path. For overall stalling I think I prefer glue, unless you can afford impale. I’m pretty sure impale out performs super glue.

impale is insanely good against non-BAD moab class bloons

[Mami The Beer Baron]

Originally posted by Mini:

Ice towers are surprisingly good for popping bloons if you go bottom path. For overall stalling I think I prefer glue, unless you can afford impale. I’m pretty sure impale out performs super glue.

why not impale bloon solver?

[H0LABANANA]

Originally posted by Stu Pickles, Master Footster:

Originally posted by Mini:

Ice towers are surprisingly good for popping bloons if you go bottom path. For overall stalling I think I prefer glue, unless you can afford impale. I’m pretty sure impale out performs super glue.

why not impale bloon solver?

Because it's only purpose is to kill super cerams, and plenty of things do it's job for much cheaper.

[PichuYang]

Originally posted by Mini:

Ice towers are surprisingly good for popping bloons if you go bottom path. For overall stalling I think I prefer glue.

Ice is more like control DPS. Ice Shards only works if player have 2nd damage source, and can be very devastating than Icicles. Bottom path is designed to stall more effectively.

When you want stall, you need to lock bloons at a position as long as you can without overpop. It can buy you ability cooldown time, and modify the wave's density (Seperate/group).

Glue generally can't stall due to lack of Re-Freeze. 0-3-2 Glue can only let Super Ceramics group up, slowly travel around.

Originally posted by Mini:

I’m pretty sure impale out performs super glue.

...and Super Glue is just outright awkward.
0-2-5 Super Glue ($33334)
+ Stun regular Moab and DDT
- 5 seconds only, and cannot re-glue immediately
- No actual damage/Cannot remove the threats
- $7042 more expensive
- Top crosspath is helpless in R81+ even Tier 5 itself has pierce buff
- 0-1-4 or 0-2-4 already does the job

0-1-5 Icicle Impale ($26292)
+ Basically fixing every (-) in Super Glue
+ $7042 more cheaper
- Poor at hyperdense rounds if not enough lesser Moab/S. Ceramics cleanup
- 0-1-2 Re-Freeze can lock S. Ceramics on place already
- Commonly misunderstood it as aggressive Moab popper (the control role is selling point)

Originally posted by Stu Pickles, Master Footster:

why not impale bloon solver?

If your issue is Super Ceramics, cheaper options will do such as Alch + Spike Balls, Downdraft + Re-freeze, Ground Zero, and Hero.

Plus, Bloon Solver can only reliably clean Super Ceramics, not lesser MOAB, no global targeting (unlike Spectre and Intel Sub) which is crucial in harder maps.

[Ninja Zyborg]

Originally posted by CatChu:

0-1-5 Icicle Impale ($26292)
+ Basically fixing every (-) in Super Glue
+ $7042 more cheaper
- Poor at hyperdense rounds if not enough lesser MOAB/Super Ceramics cleanup
- 0-1-2 Re-Freeze can lock Super Ceramic on place already
- Commonly misunderstood as "DPS tower"

well... it IS a DPS tower... It just also has good moab slowing

[PichuYang]

Originally posted by Ninja Zyborg:

well... it IS a DPS tower... It just also has good moab slowing

It is indeed a DPS tower, I just don't know how to put word properly. What I meant is that most of the time, normal players don't understand why they invested a hefty sum to make Icicle Impale when they need actual Moab dmg. Since the control role is what the most money went for, not the dmg.

[phantom]

Bloon Solver can do some damage to lower class moabs. The main reason it is not liked is because it removes the glue that slows down moabs. If you do not intend to use moab glue for your strategy than it can be useful some of the time.

As far as ice and glue are concerned together it is a bad idea for the simple reason that neither are going to slow down a bad. There is no need to try and over kill on the slow.

Also while talking about glue some fun thing is that glue strike raises the damage balloons take from sources by 1. It does not slow down blimps however it can have some fun uses for cheap cost.

[PichuYang]

Originally posted by phantom:

As far as ice and glue are concerned together it is a bad idea for the simple reason that neither are going to slow down a bad. There is no need to try and over kill on the slow.

Also while talking about glue some fun thing is that glue strike raises the damage balloons take from sources by 1.

Pretty much why I don't like overspend on Ice and Glue, because it is BAD. Lower tier options usually just did enough job to win a CHIMPS.

Similar things go by why Glue Strike/Glue Storm over Super Brittle and Cripple MOAB. It needs Corrosive Glue to affect MOAB, though. Is tier 4 sufficient for the job?

[phantom]

Originally posted by CatChu:

Pretty much why I don't like overspend on Ice and Glue, because it is BAD. Lower tier options usually just did enough job to win a CHIMPS.

Similar things go by why Glue Strike/Glue Storm over Super Brittle and Cripple MOAB. It needs Corrosive Glue to affect MOAB, though. Is tier 4 sufficient for the job?

Depends on what the job is. I do not like to use actives much since I do not want to focus that hard a lot of the time. I would say though it generally better to upgrade it since the glue will not be on the children. You could also grab a glue strike with only glue soak for anti ceramics while still having moab glue.

That said I would generally not consider buying a 0-2-4 moab glue over spending as it is not that costly compared to have much money you get. Ice is another story as you need more than tier 3 to effect moabs. They do however have some damage in addition to make up for this and I think super bristle damage boost actually does work on BAD.

[PichuYang]

Originally posted by phantom:

I think super bristle damage boost actually does work on BAD.

BAD doesn't immune to damage amplification, which is GOOD.

I just find pairing MOAB Glue to mid path T4+ is generally awkward, bcs there are many anti-ceramic options really just overshadowing the need of sacrificing the capability to amplify more MOAB dmg.