Am I the only person that hates alternate bloons rounds?

[Curious Manifold]

Like seriously, I hate the fact that you have to beat this mode in order to unlock chimps mode on a certain map. It is such a stressful mode trying to deal with camo and lead balloons super early game and then have to deal with fortified moabs later on. Its also an extremely difficult mode on expert maps. Anyone know of any good strats on how to beat this mode? I'm struggling a lot on beating flooded valley on alternate bloons rounds.

[ViciousBirb]

I dislike it too, but it realy prepares you for the pain of chimps

[Curious Manifold]

Originally posted by Rolow:

I dislike it too, but it realy prepares you for the pain of chimps

Personally I don't find chimps to be very difficult, the early game is generally fairly easy. However in alternate bloons rounds, the early game is a lot more tough with camo and lead balloons coming much more early than they normally do. Its also an extremely difficult mode on a lot of water based maps because their are less towers you can use and its harder to deal with camo and lead balloons

[DarkMatter]

Originally posted by Lemon Lord:

Originally posted by Rolow:

I dislike it too, but it realy prepares you for the pain of chimps

Personally I don't find chimps to be very difficult, the early game is generally fairly easy. However in alternate bloons rounds, the early game is a lot more tough with camo and lead balloons coming much more early than they normally do. Its also an extremely difficult mode on a lot of water based maps because their are less towers you can use and its harder to deal with camo and lead balloons

1-1-0 Sniper targetting strong: "Am I a joke to you?"

[Curious Manifold]

Originally posted by DarkMatter:

Originally posted by Lemon Lord:

Personally I don't find chimps to be very difficult, the early game is generally fairly easy. However in alternate bloons rounds, the early game is a lot more tough with camo and lead balloons coming much more early than they normally do. Its also an extremely difficult mode on a lot of water based maps because their are less towers you can use and its harder to deal with camo and lead balloons

1-1-0 Sniper targetting strong: "Am I a joke to you?"

Eh, its an ok strat, but on certain maps like flooded valley where there is little space for snipers and considering how slow snipers shoot and how expensive a 1-1-0 sniper can be on the first few rounds, it can be quite tough

[PichuYang]

Originally posted by Lemon Lord:

Like seriously, I hate the fact that you have to beat this mode in order to unlock chimps mode on a certain map.

What I can see about ABR is that it is a game mode meant to have you answer a tricky situation immediately. Usually in non-CHIMPS Standard games, player often overuse Alchemist, Village, Farm to answer tough situation. ABR is generally pushing you to answer situation via low-cost solutions or less pure DPS approach:

Originally posted by DarkMatter:

1-1-0 Sniper targeting strong: "Am I a joke to you?"

Like a low tier Sniper, something that majority of players won't use in casual game, don't you agree? Also things like MOAB Press and MOAB Glue to counter R40 MOAB.

You don't really need extra income to play ABR, but some decent Monkey Knowledge. Certain heroes such as Ezili can answer ABR's threats easily without taking the actual challenge away.

Originally posted by Lemon Lord:

Eh, its an ok strat, but on certain maps like flooded valley where there is little space for snipers

You don't need 20 Snipers to stand on stone.... ... also you can sell in ABR...

[Curious Manifold]

Originally posted by CatChu:

Originally posted by Lemon Lord:

Like seriously, I hate the fact that you have to beat this mode in order to unlock chimps mode on a certain map.

What I can see about ABR is that it is a game mode meant to have you answer a tricky situation immediately. Usually in non-CHIMPS Standard games, player often overuse Alchemist, Village, Farm to answer tough situation. ABR is generally pushing you to answer situation via low-cost solutions or less pure DPS approach:

Originally posted by DarkMatter:

1-1-0 Sniper targeting strong: "Am I a joke to you?"

Like a low tier Sniper, something that majority of players won't use in casual game, don't you agree? Also things like MOAB Press and MOAB Glue to counter R40 MOAB.

You don't really need extra income to play ABR, but some decent Monkey Knowledge. Certain heroes such as Ezili can answer ABR's threats easily without taking the actual challenge away.

Originally posted by Lemon Lord:

Eh, its an ok strat, but on certain maps like flooded valley where there is little space for snipers

You don't need 20 Snipers to stand on stone.... ... also you can sell in ABR...

1) I guess thats true. Personally I found alternate bloons rounds as difficult as chimps mode, but maybe I'm just bad at the game lol.

2) On maps like flooded valley, the wall prevents towers from reaching the track, so a moab glue or a moab press isn't a good strat on that map.

3) Yeah but like I said already, snipers shoot extremely slow and its overall not a very cost effective tower early game as you will lose a lot of lives and I've found that using snipers on that map is not a good strat

[PichuYang]

Originally posted by Lemon Lord:

1) Personally I found alternate bloons rounds as difficult as chimps mode, but maybe I'm just bad at the game lol.

2) On maps like flooded valley, the wall prevents towers from reaching the track, so a moab glue or a moab press isn't a good strat on that map.

3) Yeah but like I said already, snipers shoot extremely slow and its overall not a very cost effective tower early game as you will lose a lot of lives and I've found that using snipers on that map is not a good strat

1) Standard game =/= Different game mode. People often compared it with same strategy, that's why they failed.

2) You have 1 closest stone to support those aren't magic/Obyn/Adora/Military. Why need more when 1 is enough?

3) On paper, Sniper looks weak. In practical, it is opposite when you micro it. Eliminating high layer bloons means your other DPS tower's projectile don't get soaked by multiple strong bloons. (As Dark said, it isn't meant for late game)

ABR =/= CHIMPS No one care if you leaked 99 lives, seriously, as long as you win.
https://youtu.be/Nr0qZpCJUXU

[DarkMatter]

110 sniper is only there to crack the lead and camo lead, it is not meant to carry the entire game, you should have other tower taking care of non-lead bloons.

110 sniper is I think the second cheapest and reliable way to mitigate ealry camo lead, Ezili comes in at first.

By round 45, most your towers should be able to take out camo lead which should render 110 sniper obsolete and can be further upgraded or sold.

[Smokey]

I like this mode and the boss bloon on round 100 is a fortified bad. So think this is a good challenge while not too rough same time.

[Nodoka]

Ezili.

[Curious Manifold]

Originally posted by Nodoka:

Ezili.

I don't think ezili can seen behind cover and I'm struggling a lot on a map that has a lot of cover (flooded valley)

[Neit]

I mean hate might be a strong word here. I would say I actually sort of like it, as it's something different than other modes. Alongside with Apopalypse, it's only mode with non-standard waves, which can be nice change once in a while.

And I actually love the fact, you get Fortified BAD on round 100.

Of course, I can see the frustration it can cause on some harder maps.

[Nodoka]

Originally posted by Lemon Lord:

Originally posted by Nodoka:

Ezili.

I don't think ezili can seen behind cover and I'm struggling a lot on a map that has a lot of cover (flooded valley)

pontoon.

[Ackranome]

2-2-0 sniper x2 resolves most issues.

[PichuYang]

Originally posted by Lemon Lord:

I don't think ezili can seen behind cover and I'm struggling a lot on a map that has a lot of cover (flooded valley)

Ezili do, but due to the length of track, I do find Obyn is sufficient enough.
If you watch the video and see how a 1-1-0 Sniper is doing, you shouldn't be struggling a lot on this map. If you do, there must be something fundamentally wrong.

Originally posted by Nodoka:

pontoon.

That's a Power, and not a lot of players like to beat non-Standard mode via those.