Benjamin Should Be A Bad Hero

[Wake]

Benjamin should be a bad hero instead of one of the best heroes.
When you choose Benjamin you're basically opting not to have a hero, but instead have money. Not having a good idea for use of a hero should have a slim upsides because the game is created with the intention for having good use of heroes.

Benjamin should be an underwhelming hero, and a consolation prize to a decent setup in hero. Currently, I feel he may be one of the best choices, if not the best choice most of the time.

[caw]

yes and no more like depends.
its not that simple

[HoBoMiKe]

you basically can't buy anything good unless you use benjamin. the small amount of cashflow in this game is absolutely astounding, you can barely get any money no matter what you do and as soon as you do you have to spend it right away on a less powerful upgrade or else a big group of regrow/purple bloons will give you the business.


in addition, his passive ability neutralizes the first MOAB which is extremely important for games and challenges with limited tower availability

[Hiroko]

I don't like banks, but I do like DJs.

[prankenstin the 2nd]

the situation with benjamin is weird,hes pretty good early game but you suffer from not having a dmging hero, in mid game he helps set up farms for late game if you go to round 100,and late game i would rather have someone like gwen or pat for how good they can be.

the downside to ben is your weaker at the start,stronger midgame,and weaker late

[Sekani]

He isn't that great. I see him pretty much like a banana farm (have benjamin, skip the farm. using a different hero? get a farm). His passive moab/bfb trojan is the only thing that's somewhat helpful if you don't like using bomb towers. I think etienne is way stronger for the global camo vision to all towers which you get a little past wave 40 so I can do hard difficulty without buying radar villages.

[jbrainbow]

this person obviously doesn't play co-op...

[H0LABANANA]

Btd6 is so varied that you can't say the meta, I don't play too much co-op but if he's the best hero there, so be it, he sucks at chimps. Besides, if you're struggling on impoppable and hard just use some farms, the banks and 4-2-0's are way more efficient.

Originally posted by Wake:

Currently, I feel he may be one of the best choices, if not the best choice most of the time.

He isn't always the best choice, it's sometimes better just to plop Quincy down on round one and not worry until round 19, rather than get Benjamin. Assuming this is single player non-chimps or something.

[H0LABANANA]

Originally posted by HoBoMiKe:

the small amount of cashflow in this game is absolutely astounding, you can barely get any money no matter what you do and as soon as you do you have to spend it right away on a less powerful upgrade or else a big group of regrow/purple bloons will give you the business.

Say that to the chimps mode beaten while spending only $19,685 out of the $178,909 gained, that's enough to straight up get a temple. It seems as though your skill level isn't very high, if so I have an amazing tip. Use alchemist.

[Zahkriin]

Think about it, the biggest diffrence between all the difficulties is the cost, while income and a lot of other stuff stays the same....
the most broken stuff in this game is basicly everything wich heavily fiddels with income/money, that's why benjamin is inherently broken
if you directly compare him to other heroes as a stand alonetower he'll loose, but benjamin generates money.. provides bonus interest so to speak.. and money = firepower

[PichuYang]

Originally posted by Hiroko:

I don't like banks, but I do like DJs.

The only reason I ever picked up Benjamin in casual play.

Originally posted by ID Zahkriin:

the most broken stuff in this game is basicly everything wich heavily fiddels with income/money, that's why benjamin is inherently broken

Benjamin also don't offer any actual support power, and you have to snowball the economy in order to be effective. It is also very boring to go to a state of "over-eco" too much, while learning lesser to tackle on CHIMPS mode.

Even on R101+ Freeplay, you don't need economy at some point, you want buff for VTSG instead, like Brickell.

Originally posted by H0LABANANA:

Originally posted by HoBoMiKe:

the small amount of cashflow in this game is absolutely astounding, you can barely get any money no matter what you do

Say that to the chimps mode beaten while spending only $19,685 out of the $178,909 gained, that's enough to straight up get a temple. It seems as though your skill level isn't very high, if so I have an amazing tip. Use alchemist.

I think a much fair way to say this is, going a state of over-eco will often lead players to just buy the best upgrades. This is from a recent Half Cash Puddle thread, where a player with Double Cash mode don't really understand how to tackle Half Cash mode. It is mainly because of having too many cash on hand! Which is why I don't suggest using Benjamin and any economy except Discounts in order to learn this game.

Judging Hero like Striker Jones with low accuracy attack isn't the right way to play this game. Most heroes shine because they have a more sustainable support power, as what the OP said. Using Benjamin is basically having no hero but flowing with cash, and flowing with too much cash question a player's future decision making. Questioning tower's value, questioning the bloon popping cash, etc...

So I don't really agree with this:

Originally posted by Wake:

if not the best choice most of the time.

[kone]

Originally posted by HoBoMiKe:

you basically can't buy anything good unless you use benjamin. the small amount of cashflow in this game is absolutely astounding, you can barely get any money no matter what you do and as soon as you do you have to spend it right away on a less powerful upgrade or else a big group of regrow/purple bloons will give you the business.

If you only play Medium, I suppose. The game essentially hands you the keys to the kingdom past round 74. Really, could just sit pretty 'till then with an Alchemist buffing any cheap DPS like Ninja or Sub.

[HoBoMiKe]

Originally posted by Sekani:

He isn't that great. I see him pretty much like a banana farm (have benjamin, skip the farm. using a different hero? get a farm). His passive moab/bfb trojan is the only thing that's somewhat helpful if you don't like using bomb towers. I think etienne is way stronger for the global camo vision to all towers which you get a little past wave 40 so I can do hard difficulty without buying radar villages.

hes basically just a better village.

the village has a big footprint and is hard to place down in a decent spot, and the 2 upgrades to get camo detection can cost more than $4000, and provides extremely limited range that your monkey may not even get the buffs because the footprint is too far away.


with etienne, his footprint is smaller, he attacks right away, and his camo detection is everywhere so you don't have to cram tons of towers in inconvenient spots just to get the buffs.

[Ackranome]

But then who will play music at my party?

[Ninja Zyborg]

Dude, I rarely use DJ Ben-Jammin outside of co-op because Quincy is godlike