Alchemist Crosspath

[Ice Princess]

I've recently been watching lots of YouTube tutorials on how to beat some maps in CHIMPS mode because I admit, I ain't the best player out there and I don't wanna spend a whole day figuring out a strat for a certain map, but anyway back to the point! In literally every video an Alchemist is present, they'll go top path to buff other monkeys. So far so good, that's logical. But then they go 4-0-1 and this is what I don't get. Faster throwing means you could probably buff more monkeys at the same time, but isn't 4-2-0 actually better? In the game it says 'also strengthens brews and stimulants' for the second upgrade in the second path iirc. So all your buffs will be enhanced further which in my mind is just...better than faster throwing? The people I've watched most likely know the game way better than me but I'd just like to understand the whole gist of it and what makes a 4-0-1 Alch superior to a 4-2-0 Alch.

[KatiDragoion]

I mean, getting middle path makes sense if you have perma brew, since the effect is permanent, meaning that it doesn't need to be given any faster.

[zghaun]

It's kind of hard to get Permabrew so it's generally better to buff as many towers at a time using the attack speed upgrades

[KatiDragoion]

Yea, but if you can afford to get perma brew, there should be no reason not to get middle path.

[DarkMatter]

Messaggio originale di DragonKnight:

Yea, but if you can afford to get perma brew, there should be no reason not to get middle path.

Middle path only makes the stronger stimulant last longer. Permabrew technically doesn't need any crosspath, since you know, its permanent. However, bottom path allows him to apply his brew faster.

[KatiDragoion]

the perishing potions upgrade says it strengthens brews and stimulants, so I don't understand, does it make the buff have a more better effect, or does it make it last longer?

[Ice Princess]

Guys, thank you for all your answers so far but I'm just looking for the logical and mathematical 'correct' solution here. Assuming we don't get Permabrew (cuz it's CHIMPS and thus not really feasible) I wanna know which is logically stronger. Faster throwing, or middle path second upgrade. I could be wrong but I get the feeling that the buffs wear out super quick anyway after like 1 or 2 seconds so wouldn't it be better to make them last longer with the middle path instead of buffing more monkeys at the same time but super short only with the bottom path?

[KatiDragoion]

Actually, I think bottom works as if you have stronger stimulant, the buff will last a while, so it's more worth it to give more monkeys the buff, but if you don't have it, or can't use it, but can use beserker brew, go middle, as if this sentence is correct:

Messaggio originale di DarkMatter:

Middle path only makes the stronger stimulant last longer.

Then, it'll last longer, meaning monkeys can have it longer. Which is better than having the buff applied faster.

[Nodoka]

420 generally when you have few towers around it. and 401 when you have alot.

[H0LABANANA]

Messaggio originale di Nodoka:

420 generally when you have few towers around it. and 401 when you have alot.

actually, 420 is only better for a single monkey, anything more 401 is better. Unless you have multiple alch's, where 420 is better. Basically, if your alch to tower ratio is 1 or more, 420, if your alch to tower ratio is less than one (if more towers than alchs) 401 is better.

[BattleMouth]

420 when buffing one tower
401 when buffing 2+ towers

Generally in CHIMPS you'll upgrade to 420 if you plan on getting a 2nd alchemist but if you're only using one for the early game then get 401 since it will start buffing multiple towers when you get them.

420 is a better buff
401 last longer across multiple towers respectively