Alchemist on Heli Pilot?

[Jon.Topps]

Does this even work? I never really looked close before, but the two buffs the alchemist gives go away basically immediately with the helicopter. On my others (wizard and ninja) the buff stays for quite a while, but with the helicopter the moment it's on it disappears again.
Is this a feature? A bug? Or am I wrong in some way?

[⚡Baumfall⚡]

your heli is probably an apache. apache is a fast firing towers and alchemist buffs hold for x shots. so apache wastes these x shots really fast

[Jon.Topps]

Originally posted by ⚡Baumfall⚡:

your heli is probably an apache. apache is a fast firing towers and alchemist buffs hold for x shots. so apache wastes these x shots really fast

Ahhh I didn't realize the buff only worked for X amount of shots. That seems weird, because other fast firing towers seem to last a normal amount of time? But this is definitely it, it was on an Apache Prime.

[Na]

Apache prime solo loses on round 95, with 4 tier alchemist still 95,
with permanent brew round 99.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2276772745
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2276772912

So the answer to your question is no it does not.

[⚡Baumfall⚡]

Wait you're trying to tell me Alchemist buffs dont work on Apache Prime? Even after I said they for sure work normal like on every other tower? Only becuase a tower that sucks against DDTs cant solo DDT rounds? Bruh that makes no sense. And Prime can for sure beat R99 with Pbrew, what the ♥♥♥♥ did you do to die there? It even can without monkey knowledge which you probably had enabled. You probably put in on pursuit lol. Trust me, I know the game way better than you, alchemist buffs for sure work on Prime like on every other tower

[Jon.Topps]

That is interesting though that perma brew would allow Apache Prime to be permanently buffed, which is obviously amazing.
What other towers lose the buff super fast? Just any fast shooters like Super Monkey and Wizard and what not? I feel like basically all of them can shoot super fast though?

[Shiroe (cortana)]

ninja?.... 4xx is fast enough, but then you can also get 5xx, or a 5xx and several x3x

[Na]

Grandmaster ninja + MIB (for lead). loses on round 76
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2276834671

+4th tier alchemist round 94
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2276838527

[Na]

Razor rotors drop the buff even if they don't hit.

[daikunshuu]

alchemist buff disappear really fast on towers with really high rate of fire (apache, spectre, super)

[PichuYang]

Originally posted by Jon.Topps:

What other towers lose the buff super fast? Just any fast shooters like Super Monkey and Wizard and what not? I feel like basically all of them can shoot super fast though?

Any towers that attack multiple times too fast (or using various form of attacks) will lose the buff quickly, such as this situation:

Originally posted by Sodium:

Apache prime solo loses on round 95, with 4 tier alchemist still 95,

Plus, Apache Prime missiles cannot damage black/DDT. Perma-Brew only enhances other form of dmg, but does not grant black popping power to the missiles:

Originally posted by ⚡Baumfall⚡:

Only becuase a tower that "bad" against DDTs cant solo DDT rounds?

Since Patch 12.0, Sub-towers such as Commanche's mini-commanches no longer can be affected by Alchemist;s drinks and Overclock.

For any higher tier Heli, your best bet is to use a MIB instead of Perma-Brew, or don't too relying on 4XX Alchemist alone in late round.
For low cost DDT counter, add some MOAB Press, MOAB Glue, or/and Bloon Sbotage.

However, a low tier Heli with Quad Darts and Fast Firing, still pretty solid with Brew. You can rely on it to carry early rounds and focus on expensive upgrades/be greedy on eco.

[Na]

I tried apache prime with MIB it made no difference.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2276997869

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2277003642
Without MIB clears round 100.

[DarkMatter]

If you ae going for apache, I recommend overclock.

Heli on steroids is amazing late game strategy.

[⚡Baumfall⚡]

prime needs mib for ddts, cuz its only way to damage them is the laser. with sabo, alch buff and micro you dont necessarily need a mib, but it makes is way easier

[PichuYang]

Originally posted by Sodium:

I tried apache prime with MIB it made no difference.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2276997869

MIB only allows missile to damage DDT, however most of the time, Apache won't fully optimizing its attack without micro or any form of other supports. DDTs are not so stupid to be grouped together and take explosive dmg together.

Never brute force a group of DDT.

Originally posted by Sodium:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2277003642
Without MIB clears round 100.

I see a Overclock vs no Overclock version more. Apache's other attack can still damage DDT, but,

as we said already, the missiles consume Alchemist buff as well and cannot damage DDT.
(Which is the main topic)

MIB is just optimizing Apache's attack, but again, never brute force on DDT without other kind of slow/stun, damage amplifier, fortify remover, other DPS, etc.
Overclock cannot have 100% uptime on T4 or T5 Heli as well. (Or afford Ultraboost in CHIMPS/less aggressive eco)

Plus in CHIMPS, player cannot sell. If Alchemist buff is necessary on an early Heli, so does it, regardless whether it is optimizing on Apache or not. If you cannot survive earlier rounds, there is no point to discuss late game strategy.
The only way to make 4XX Alchemist more effective in late game is: Let it be (most of the time should be), Chinook it, or Adora's sacrifice to Lv 20 on R100.
A great example would be Infernal CHIMPS (before the map tweak).

(I guess OP got more answer than they needed already XD)

[⚡Baumfall⚡]

bruh stronger stim on prime is very strong