Online (Lobby) is crap

[mut0rcs]

Coop would be so nice, but several things makes it very annoying.

- There are soo many maps but when you want a fast game, you always get into the same 7-9 Maps. Sometimes you dont want to choose the map, you just want arandom map and start fast (and so you dont want to host a lobby).

- When you search and you are the last one you have no time to go out the lobby (because for example you hate the map). No... the game will start immediately. But it's not only this way. When you make a lobby or are in a lobby and then the game sarts, often the last player leaves the game because of exactly that reason.

- When you search for a lobby and you go out because you dont like the lobby, you always! will go in the same lobby again. what the hell?

- separate lv 100 modes from heavy modes (lv80). Why not separating them? it's very hard to find a game with lv 100, when you dont want to open a own lobby (sometimes you just want a random map and just want to play). And on the other hand i dont want to play with lv 40 Players till round lv 100. The often don't have all monkeys (upgrades). And also when you have only 1 live you need really to know, which bloons are coming that you are prepared. And you can't tell them (later more).

- Money-Buyer. So often some "players" (more like cheaters) uses bunch of money and destroy the challenge and the fun of the map for all other players. Why we can use extra money in online mode? It's like cheating.

- No Chat. I know, there are these stickers, you can show up, but that's useless. I play with 3 (let's say) lv 60-80 players and the do nothing! for round 40. I'm really 95% percent the only one, which has any idea.

So ok, but no one HAS to be good. I have no problem with totatlly beginners. But with a chat we simply could tell on r40 we need some stuff for MOAB. Or for example we could split tasks and make a plan. For example with Greenfoot i can be the main-defence till round 39, but i need support for camo. Really... it's so annoying you cant write. I know there is a camo sticker, you can show up, but thats uselss.

Why is there no chat? Technically this is really not a big deal.

Edit: And it seems you can not host lobbys from map you already beat in sinlge player. you have to unlock them all again in coop... so stupid.

[Guily]

I agree with you on some points, the lobbies in this game could have been a lot better. I have no problem with the coop and solo medals being separated, but people leaving a lobby is a big issue.

I dont see why there is no chat like in btd5 (the flash version at least) like you said, most people do ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for the first moab. I think this game need a couple things like :
1-a lobby list
2-a option to say you are ready once in a lobby (or a start vote)
3-in game chat, not just with stickers
4- give the host (and only the host) the possibility to put the game on autostart
5-maybe at least a 10-15 second before starting the first round, since some people forget to remove autostart and there is no time to place towers
6-remove the thing that make game start automatically when lobby is full

I really like the game but I think some life improving modifications to the game could make it a lot better

[Na]

It can't have a chat because of the age rating.

[PichuYang]

Originally posted by Guily:

but people leaving a lobby is a big issue.

I have almost no issue in connecting to BTD5 Coop (no taking quality match into account).
In BTD6 I have an oddly bad connection, resulting sometimes I join a lobby and being kicked out. This might explains why players are leaving.
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Originally posted by Sodium:

It can't have a chat because of the age rating.

Originally posted by Guily:

I dont see why there is no chat like in btd5 (the flash version at least)

These 2 explained why there are no chat feature.
BTD5 Flash is under NK website, not under Steam.

BTD5 Steam, do not have chat feature, which means you cannot tell someone who spam Wizard towers to stop wasting time on preparing a meaningless Freeplay.
(I just want Coop medal and out)
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Originally posted by mut0rcs:

I play with 3 (let's say) lv 60-80 players and the do nothing! for round 40. I'm really 95% percent the only one, which has any idea.

Using chat feature to tell them build MOAB Mauler or MOAB Glue? I have doubt...
I mean it sounds good but at the same time, from my exp of playing similar game, most players won't listen or even read in-game description.

(And I dunno how they got into lv60-80... spamming Freeplay?)

[mut0rcs]

@guily: I agree. A start vote would be nice or at least a 10s countdown. But when you have autostart on, the first round does not start automaticly i think ? I never had that. And i actually never had a game which was not on autostart (i mean autostart after every round, not the first one).

But i have to unlock for example alternative rounds, impobable and so on in coop again. if this is not normal, maybe i ask in another question about that.

@Sodium: Why? Which age does it need to have a chat? Is this rule from Steam?

But anyway, it destroys the gameplay.

@CatChu: Sure, some people would not give a ♥♥♥♥, what you say, but i have often make good experience with chat functions in other games. Some people are unable to teamplay, but there are enough to play in team. Also if it's only to remember other players, that the MOAB comes on round 40 (i dont want to command them, what they have to build). And when i say it comes on round 40, make sure you have enough money for something against MOABs it is not the same like a sticker, where you can't tell which round it comes and so on. Or i could say i look for the MOAB and so the other players can show for something else (camo, bananas or what ever).

so my experience says chat functions is worth it, even if halft the people dont teamplay, then it would be not worse than without.

Or at least when we could have "stickers" with words (so little commands) like "look for MOABs(Bloonname)" or "yes/no", "need (something)", "we need camo defense", "we need Moab defense", "i go for MOABs/Money", " need more time, have to gain money" " i build Hero XY"

In Words it's just more clear than this stickers. But also that would be not enough.

The most important thing is (i think) when we could say, what we (i) are doing and for which round or till which round (and maybe why). And this is not really possible with stickers.

[mut0rcs]

And i noticed right know that i can't host some maps on alternative rounds (and so also no impobable). It says something like "this is only in privat mode available".

so stupid...

[DarkMatter]

Would be great if you can customize the game, like no power ups or insta, or restrict building area and unrestrict them. Or even disable monkey knowledge for added challenge.

And a 5 second count down before game starts.

[mut0rcs]

Yeah it's so annoying.

Especially that the can use extra money in the game. I go directly out the game, when someone does that. it should be disabled. When they are not able to win the game without extra money, then they can play on easy mode or alone.

And also that we have no 5-10s countdown in the lobby.

i have played coop now for some rounds and it's to boring for me. Always i start 3-5 rounds, before i find i lobby with a good map, no players left and no money "cheater".

I think i have played enoug BTD6 for a while. Or at least coop. they rathre makes haloween stuff than fix game issues...

[Biometrix]

Originally posted by mut0rcs:

- Money-Buyer. So often some "players" (more like cheaters) uses bunch of money and destroy the challenge and the fun of the map for all other players. Why we can use extra money in online mode? It's like cheating.

Cash Drop or Double Cash Mode? I don't use Cash Drops in Co-op (Or in single player, I don't like Powers) but I bought Double Cash Mode to support the devs and I use it in co-op when I rarely play public lobbies to alleviate the pain that comes with slow cash income. If you don't like it, leave and I'll just take control of your stuff and finish that way.

[mut0rcs]

I mean Cash Drops. And i don't even know, that you can use double cash in online.

Powers generally should not be available in coop. And double cash btw is for players who aren't good enough to play without ;-)

[Bad Aim Bodyshot Barry]

Originally posted by mut0rcs:

I mean Cash Drops. And i don't even know, that you can use double cash in online.

Powers generally should not be available in coop. And double cash btw is for players who aren't good enough to play without ;-)

double cash in coop vs double cash in single player are two totally different things. in coop your literally playing half cash at the very least. double cash solves the issue of being too broke to do anything and the issue that people in coop are idiots. in single player its just a win button.

[mut0rcs]

And what does it do in coop? What do you mean with beeing too broke to do anything?

[Bad Aim Bodyshot Barry]

Originally posted by mut0rcs:

And what does it do in coop? What do you mean with beeing too broke to do anything?

it does in coop what others cant, it allows you to build a defence while others do ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

[mut0rcs]

So it gives you double money or not?

And when you need double the cash to win, you are to bad for that game...

[Bad Aim Bodyshot Barry]

Originally posted by mut0rcs:

So it gives you double money or not?

And when you need double the cash to win, you are to bad for that game...

try coop with 3 noobs (aka people whos player level is roughly 30-70) with double cash to 80. your more than likely gonna loose, in this case double cash gives you half cash. which is enough to make do. in 2p coop its unneeded and 3p is unneeded in my eyes. the big rounds in coop are: 40,63,75,76,78. 40 since money is really tight, 76 due to people making regrow farms about 15% of the time. the others are also hard in general not to mention bare minimum your playing half cash but your defence is slightly better

[mut0rcs]

yeah, so it's double cash. for sure you dont get normal money, when you play with 4 players. 4 players with normal money would be not funny.

i have no problem to beat lv 80 on coop. except some difficult maps, but they dont show up often. the problem is only, i dont want to play always the same heroes. Solve this problem with cheating (yeah, doubling the cash is cheating for me) is not the way it should be. a simple chat could solve this problem. but it seems to be not possible because of steam age restrictions(?)

sometimes i wonder, why someone else always have more money than me at beginning rounds. now i know why lol.