Some questions on Yao Guai

[Rainnd]

I've read in a guide that you need to promote them to golden core, but is that the only requirement or is there more? What exactly do I need to win their tribulations? Lots of qi? Also I undestand thei turn into human if you win their tribulations, is that just simple human or will they have some animal features?

[cowbell]

Messaggio originale di Nimrod:

Messaggio originale di cowbell:

Just don't promote them. They are now seasonal labor you deport after their contract is up.

This is a rather pointless comment.
also: >>sect leader<<

Make a new sect leader, scrub.

[GrandMajora]

Messaggio originale di Silberfuchs:

Messaggio originale di Nimrod:

This is a rather pointless comment.
also: >>sect leader<<

Time for a second generation sect leader.

The endgame isn't meant to have your 1th sect leader as top dog anyways. Golden core can super-teach the next generation, primodial spirit can reform peoples body (increase base stats), and gods can cancel out obsessions.

To get a really powerfull sect leader the palyer has to do it step by step.

That is a pain in the ass. Yaoguai seem to be much harder to recruit than humans. And if they fail their tribulation, they turn into a super powered monster. My sect leader was a physical cultivator, who failed their tribulation and literally one shot the rest of my sect members.

And this guy was one Breakthrough away from achieving Golden Core state, too!

[fyrefly1998]

There's one type of Yaoguai you should absolutely take with you at game start and damn the tribulation. Bull Yaoguai have 3 times the move speed of human, an average Constitution of 10, and generally start with farming and one-two other hard labor skills at master level. Find one that has a tribulation 2-3 years out and exploit it for labor from game start; Very Convenient!

[Shirokumo]

Messaggio originale di GrandMajora:

Messaggio originale di Silberfuchs:

Time for a second generation sect leader.

The endgame isn't meant to have your 1th sect leader as top dog anyways. Golden core can super-teach the next generation, primodial spirit can reform peoples body (increase base stats), and gods can cancel out obsessions.

To get a really powerfull sect leader the palyer has to do it step by step.

That is a pain in the ass. Yaoguai seem to be much harder to recruit than humans. And if they fail their tribulation, they turn into a super powered monster. My sect leader was a physical cultivator, who failed their tribulation and literally one shot the rest of my sect members.

And this guy was one Breakthrough away from achieving Golden Core state, too!

I know this feeling, managed to get my first one to Golden core and drugged him with all the Pills I had when there were less then 20 days left and I managed the first storm, but the second surprised me and I had my only Gold core rampaging through my sect.

[Myth Alric]

What happens if you rebirth a Yaoguai prior to the tribulation? Do they get extra time? Does it even work?

[lusterredux]

Turn them into physical cultivators. They decimate the Shapeshifting Tribulation. It's almost laughable how easily they deal with it compared to the work needed for a regular cultivator to do the same. You get the first physical law pretty early on (seems like the quest is scripted to pop up early, dragon awakening something something). Remold an arm and get tier 3-4 in it, maybe remold the other arm, and jam as much random remolds on your cultivator as you can. Finally, and you likely won't even need it, you get Berserk with that first law. Use that and the Tribulation should be a one shot.

Just be warned, as far as I can tell, once they're a physical cultivator there's no turning back. My physical cultivators just spit out any rebirth related pills with no effect. And devour with no effect except essence gain anything that increases the timer for regular Heavenly Tribulations. That means once you get them to the final stage and fill their cultivation, you have to deal with frequent Heavenly Tribulations that get exponentially more powerful. So... Don't fill the final stages cultivation bar until you want to deal with that.

[Shirokumo]

Messaggio originale di lusterredux:

Turn them into physical cultivators. They decimate the Shapeshifting Tribulation. It's almost laughable how easily they deal with it compared to the work needed for a regular cultivator to do the same. You get the first physical law pretty early on (seems like the quest is scripted to pop up early, dragon awakening something something). Remold an arm and get tier 3-4 in it, maybe remold the other arm, and jam as much random remolds on your cultivator as you can. Finally, and you likely won't even need it, you get Berserk with that first law. Use that and the Tribulation should be a one shot.

Just be warned, as far as I can tell, once they're a physical cultivator there's no turning back. My physical cultivators just spit out any rebirth related pills with no effect. And devour with no effect except essence gain anything that increases the timer for regular Heavenly Tribulations. That means once you get them to the final stage and fill their cultivation, you have to deal with frequent Heavenly Tribulations that get exponentially more powerful. So... Don't fill the final stages cultivation bar until you want to deal with that.

Question regarding PC, what do I need to do to improve their mood? With normal cultivators it is easy, practise Mind and that is it. but for msome reason no matter what I order them to do, they just jump all over the place with their mood, impacting cultivation.

[forrestomintero]

One thing to consider when choosing to make a physical cultivator is that they won't contribute anything to the manual pavilion which can slow down your progress as an overall sect. Later in the game that's not as much of an issue, but it's a legitimate consideration early on.

[fyrefly1998]

Messaggio originale di forrestomintero:

One thing to consider when choosing to make a physical cultivator is that they won't contribute anything to the manual pavilion which can slow down your progress as an overall sect. Later in the game that's not as much of an issue, but it's a legitimate consideration early on.

...Is this an issue? as far as I'm aware, as long as you have a law available you can copy the entire thing into the manual pavillion. There's no special requirements for doing so, it should only take about a day per law.

[lusterredux]

They're absurdly powerful, and demon races can remold way more body parts, as well as having various racial bonuses. You'll have a max tier cultivator way, way, way, before you'd ever get a Primordial. So growth shouldn't really be a negative for them, since they can singlehandedly decimate all early-midgame threats. Plus, you get a Demigod rank cultivator really early in the game, which means you can instantly teleport to all world map locations you can enter. Which means, you can farm awakened beasts and take on those "Kill Golden Core" quests basically within 30-40days of starting.

So makes base defense until late midgame laughably easy, lets you instantly transmit to all enterable locations once you get them to final tier (easy), you get a high tier cultivator that can mentor others, and you can even punch the beast on your map to death fairly early on, if you don't want to wait for it to hit Primordial).

The manual pavilion thing doesn't really make sense to me, because recruits are thrown at you, and a physical cultivator can be relatively statless and still be effective. You can have a regular cultivator write manuals, any of them can do it, for anything.

Messaggio originale di Shirokumo:

Question regarding PC, what do I need to do to improve their mood? With normal cultivators it is easy, practise Mind and that is it. but for msome reason no matter what I order them to do, they just jump all over the place with their mood, impacting cultivation.

They can't learn +mood manuals, can't wear talismans, are immune to any medicinal effects, so you really only have one option.

They eat a ton, especially when you remold certain other parts. So the best way to keep their mood high is to feed them good food. You'll get 3+ stacks of ate good food buffs.

That said, you don't actually need them to have high mood, or worry about anything. Remolding is only affected by remolded parts. Breathing has a lot of parameters, but that's whatever. You'll produce tons of low level essences from just eating, which are good enough to create a god early game. You can easily reset remolds, so just shoving anything on them for now won't hurt in the long run.

[GrandMajora]

Messaggio originale di lusterredux:

Turn them into physical cultivators. They decimate the Shapeshifting Tribulation. It's almost laughable how easily they deal with it compared to the work needed for a regular cultivator to do the same. You get the first physical law pretty early on (seems like the quest is scripted to pop up early, dragon awakening something something). Remold an arm and get tier 3-4 in it, maybe remold the other arm, and jam as much random remolds on your cultivator as you can. Finally, and you likely won't even need it, you get Berserk with that first law. Use that and the Tribulation should be a one shot.

I've remolded my cultivator's abdominal muscles, heart, left claw bones, left arm muscles, and phallus. I have Tribulation difficulty set to as low as friggin possible, maximum in every stat, and bull ♥♥♥♥♥ enhancements thanks to custom made intelligence shards.

Still get absolutely stomped with the heavenly tribulation.

What do you mean by getting higher tiers on stuff? I can't figure out how to unlock the special abilities, such as my bear yaoguai's annihilating claw.

[forrestomintero]

My bad, I had never actually tried copying an entire law. I assumed I needed a physical manual to do that, and didn't realize it would literally put all the unlearned stuff from the law into the pavilion.

[nick012000]

Messaggio originale di lusterredux:

Messaggio originale di Shirokumo:

Question regarding PC, what do I need to do to improve their mood? With normal cultivators it is easy, practise Mind and that is it. but for msome reason no matter what I order them to do, they just jump all over the place with their mood, impacting cultivation.

They can't learn +mood manuals, can't wear talismans, are immune to any medicinal effects, so you really only have one option.

They eat a ton, especially when you remold certain other parts. So the best way to keep their mood high is to feed them good food. You'll get 3+ stacks of ate good food buffs.

You can also give them mundane equipment like Dice (bonus to Happiness, penalty to Working which doesn't matter for Inner Disciples) and Scented Sachets (bonus to Mental State, so you should be giving one to every Inner Disciple once you've gotten a decent supply of the herbs used to make them).

[Stübi Senpai]

So if I started with two of these guys as a complete Newcomer, I might as well restart then? it's a shame, I just formed my sect and my Sneak Lady is the actual Sect Leader. So if she is about to be hit by a bunch of lightning bolts and die, that doesn't exactly bode well for my save. How much time do you need to buff them enough to actually survive the test? I faintly remember that my snake lass has triple digits in days left until tribulation, is that doable? I have another animal guy, bear I think, and he only has like 20-30 days left, so presumably hes about to be a pile of ash.

The game ought to really explain this better. When I generated my first world, it defaulted all 3 disciples to other races than human, making me assume that this is very much an intended part of the experience right from the get-go. And why are there ones were the timer is only about 30 days? Wouldn't those LITERALLY be doomed because you can't roid them up fast enough?

[Nimrod]

Messaggio originale di Stübi Senpai:

So if I started with two of these guys as a complete Newcomer, I might as well restart then? it's a shame, I just formed my sect and my Sneak Lady is the actual Sect Leader. So if she is about to be hit by a bunch of lightning bolts and die, that doesn't exactly bode well for my save. How much time do you need to buff them enough to actually survive the test? I faintly remember that my snake lass has triple digits in days left until tribulation, is that doable? I have another animal guy, bear I think, and he only has like 20-30 days left, so presumably hes about to be a pile of ash.

The game ought to really explain this better. When I generated my first world, it defaulted all 3 disciples to other races than human, making me assume that this is very much an intended part of the experience right from the get-go. And why are there ones were the timer is only about 30 days? Wouldn't those LITERALLY be doomed because you can't roid them up fast enough?

Not only the guy is doomed, your colony might as well be - they turn into raging beasts when they fail and take down anyone and everything around them.
So yes, start new - I had to learn this the hard way too.
And yes, I think this is a vary very poor design choice - those animal guys are awesome in look and feel - this punishing game mechanic very much isnt ...