True Fear: Forsaken Souls Part 2

True Fear: Forsaken Souls Part 2

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Feena 4 listopada 2018 o 8:39
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Thoughts about the game (Spoiler heavy)
I've been chatting with Elena last night and we both had some crazy theories. The game is amazing but left us with many unanswered questions.

Share your thoughts here with us and let's discuss what would happen next.

My first question is who is THE THREE, is the evil girl is one of them? We still don't know who is this person who's been following Holly and I doubt she is Dalia now.

The mother mentioned a ritual in the last message she left. The developer Dimme mentioned before that the movie 'Rosmary's Baby' inspired him to make this game. I've seen the similarity.

Why would an asylum have a demon statue?

Who is Olivia Harper?

Could everyone be invisible? I mean Holly made something and drink it, then everything has changed, she could either be invisible or dead? What made me think of this theory is the typewriter, someone clearly is typing on it, either a spirit or someone invisible! Also, the evil girl can be seen through the security camera! (And night vision)

I hope the Journalist is not dead and THE THREE are taking care of him, in that place where the girl in the last scene said she will show us it? She said she will show us something, and I wonder what it is.

I've only played the game once, I'm planning to play it again to understand more of the story. Share your thoughts and theories here and hopefully we will get our answers in the extra episode as well as the third game!

Join us on Steam chat to talk more about the game!
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You can check the theories thread we started two years ago.
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elena_tapean 14 stycznia 2019 o 14:04 
81. Elizabeth might have been irrascible and stressed out due to the fights with Jack. Alex suspected that these fights were the problem which determined Jack to changed, however it is not the case.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1622576365

82. Got to look in the reflection of the computer screen inside the Hidden Library. Where is Holly’s reflection?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1622576437

83. Did Holly pull a string of HER hair?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1622576730

84. Mother’s tape is addressing Dahlia. „She will find you.”

a.) She = SHE
b.) you = (check point 44) Dahlia
c.) SHE and Dahlia are different!

Must see Mother’s last tape.

85. Charles entered Elizabeth’s room one night and told her all about the Soul Split in Three. „I remember every word he said.” In other words:

a.) Dahlia is doomed.
b.) Why is Holly thinking that she is the one who is doomed? „I am NOT doomed! I choose my own path!”

Have we played as Dahlia from the moment we saw the mirror through the eyes of a child up until now? Or the moment when Holly starts thinking that SHE cannot be her sister, Dahlia?
elena_tapean 14 stycznia 2019 o 14:04 
86. Holly contemplates about how crazy she might be when picking up the figurine of HER. Immediately after that she feels compelled to „find her”. As mother said: „She will make you find her.”

Moreover the false Block A door is a ruse to make Holly advance in her quest, to make her explore more. I think it was a door there, but someone has bricked it up as a mailbox.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1622576839

87. The game doesn’t let me put the wine in the health symbol timeline. Only in the psyche one. Must see the name of the wine and the years (if it has a date). It is a 1816 something.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623042866

88. The two bust symbols:

a.) the psyche symbol = the past, Christopher Smith is freshly appointed director, he lets Jessica’s portrait in his office because the painted made him look older.
b.) the health symbol = the future, after the death of Christopher Smith (his memoirs prove it), wine turns into vinegar.
c.) But the gala? Is it in the past or future?

89. The CD footage doesn’t have any name.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623043018

90. SHE can be caught on camera. My knowledge in Ghost Hunters Syfy in action:

a.) SHE is not an immaterial being.
b.) SHE is half-living, half-dead.
c.) SHE is in-between worlds, in-between her restlessness and revenge.
d.) Could SHE be human? Human spirits can be caught on camera better than other entities.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623043380
elena_tapean 14 stycznia 2019 o 14:05 
91. There is a particular bottle in the developer cupboard whose label resemble the red flower attributed to Holly in the sisters & flowers mini-game from TF1.

Someone must have used it to make the potion the easy way. Instead of returning to the Greenhouse to take the Holly seed amd plant it in the director’s pot, that someone used this juice to prepare the potion quickly. I pressume it is the Journalist.

The bottles are all smashed to pieces. The scream underneath the Hidden Library might have been his, since he has hurt himself with the shards. There’s a lot of blood on the shelves.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623043637

92. At some point, Holly tells herself: „I believe that this message was left for me.”

a.) She is convinced that she must continue her exploration.
b.) if you believe, then everything that you believe in will happen.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623043689

93. I wonder which of these demons inhabit which? See point 52.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623043752

94. Finished moving the demons’ arms, took the chemical, walked away to the doll on the bench, thought I saw a building behind the statue, went back just to see the demon’s arms return to their initial position. Wicked. No wonder all the other employees where spooked by this thing. Chuvache is dismissive of all this „Alive” theory.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623043847

95. Those Ilex Aquifolium or Holly seeds are originally from South-Western of Europe, North-Western Africa and South-Eastern Asia. Not America. Why America? Holly wondered why would a buried Medieval knight be doing in America? There seems to be only cultivated seeds in America. Hm...

The Holly berries of the Ilex Aquifolium are associated with Christmas symbolism (they look like the misletoe) and previously with the Roman festival of Saturnalia, a celebration in the honor of the god Saturn. It is celebrated on 17 of December, later on 23 of December.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623043936
elena_tapean 14 stycznia 2019 o 14:05 
96. Planted the Holly seed in the psyche timeline (Christopher is freshly appointed director) to see it bloom in the health timeline (post-Christopher era).

a.) But Holly doesn’t remove the psyche symbol (meaning the past) away.
b.) She lets the past and future meet. So Christopher is both alive and dead in the near future.
c.) In order to transport herself back into the present timeline, she lets the two symbols in their respective busts.
d.) The present timeline awfully looks like the health symbol (Christopher’s death).
e.) The present is the timeline Holly is in from the beginning of the game.

97. The Holly berries are taken from an Ilex tree that outgrew the pot. Its roots bends over it. This symbol might mean that Holly is uprooted from a place, she doesn’t belong anywhere or she is constantly trying to expand her area of comfort. However, she gives out red berries. Are they sweet or poisonous?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623044156

98. Each demon had a drawing on their helmets, different symbols I mean. They don’t seems similar to anything I have found in TF2. No photos, sorry.

99. The potion is made. The objects that have remained with me are:
a.) a dark light bulb that I don’t know how I got a second one.
b.) the lenses.
c.) the wedge.
d.) the night vision camera.
e.) and the botanics book.

100. Accidentaly looked on the map and I see how the unusable door that is near the fuse box can be used by employees or guards when there is no need to open the large gate. It allows access inside without opening the grand gate. It is like a second entrance without much fuss. But the problem is that in the cuscene where Holly steps right in, there is no road or outline of a door behind the unusable door.

In the map: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623044244
In the cutscene: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623048047
elena_tapean 14 stycznia 2019 o 14:06 
101. When Rachel runs towards Holly, the same male voice cries out „Don’t open the door!” It is just like in the minigames. Rachel looks up to see who is the one crying out like that.

Let’s think. The Administration Building was locked from the inside. If these people know that Jack will come to chop their heads off, then that is why someone shouts out „Don’t open the door!” and they lock themselves in. Jack is mad and on the loose.

In the minigames there is also a reply to that male voice. A woman cries out „No!” Could that be Holly?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623044987

102. When Dahlia/SHE says „I will show them to you now”...

a.) The Enlightment Room upper windows have brightened up.
b.) Until that moment they were not.
c.) Now the menu title makes sense.
d.) The brightened room shows us that Holly is now captured and electrocuted.
e.) They will assume she is Elizabeth. Holly looks just like her mother in the mirror scene.
f.) Or they may think it is Heather. She has finally found the courage to come to their asylum.

Dark upper windows: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623045277
Bright upper windows: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623045377

103. This was the game. Now the bonus materials. The Journalist is pulling the lever from the Guard Booth. He looks like Josh Gates from Destination Truth and Expedition Unknown. My favorite adventurer, by the way.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623045794

104. The mural from the Projector Room depicts two men and one woman, supposedly Olivia Harper, Christopher Smith and Charles Laudius.

a.) Olivia is holding a container with a heart.
b.) The heart stripped from all emotions.
c.) All of them are promising a „world without fear.”
d.) Well, if you don’t have a heart, you won’t feel fear. (literally)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623045885

105. These wallpapers are metaphorical. They depict the persons as they are, or situations as they happen.
elena_tapean 14 stycznia 2019 o 14:06 
106. It seems that the Skybridge railing is „bandaged” with a cloth. In-game, the railing is a large plank of wood.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623045953

107. In the fire picture, SHE looks more like Holly.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623046000

108. The mother was smoking when she was recording the tapes or was it the smoke of the asylum fire?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623047041

109. How did Charles came in Elizabeth’s room? Where is Elizabeth’s room? „Everybody thinks I’m crazy.” Who are these everybody?

110. If the light doesn’t work, then the spirit or demon entity is drawing energy in order to manifest itself in the physical world.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623047253
elena_tapean 14 stycznia 2019 o 14:07 
111. The scene where the monitors are reconstructing themselves right in front of Holly is labeled as „Right here. Not now.”

a.) here = the same location
b.) not now = not in the present

112. When you open the doors of the Administration Building, you will scare off the crows. They will come to inhabit the Skybridge later.

113. There are many creepy labels in the Cutscene option such as:
a.) „You are watching this” = The beautiful landscape seen from the Greenhouse.
b.) „You’re here now” = when Holly is entering the asylum through the Grant Gate.
c.) „Don’t trust the walls” = the boiler room.
d.) „Elizabeth photo flahsback” = the appearance and disappearance from the mirror.
e.) „Enlightment” = Holly’s omen.
f.) „The Teacher” = The padlocked door.

114. So, the way the three papers are displayed under Igor Kalt’s plague in the second floor hallway show the way the Three were placed inside those three rooms.

The three papers were alligned as such: „Professor”, „Teacher” and „Important Man.” If the title of the cutscene (see bellow*) is labeled as „The Teacher”, then the one on the right is the Professor’s and the one on the left is the Important Man’s.

Similarly:
a.) Teacher is a title for women in a certain profession.
b.) Professor is a title for men in that profession.
c.) Important man is self-explanatory. That person is male.
d.) The Three figurine shows us two men and one woman. Why would that woman be so damn hidden?

* https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623048838

115. Another creepy label is: „It is us now”. It is the moment where SHE screams at Holly from the director’s office, cracking all the windows into shards. Could that „us” mean Olivia, Charles, Christopher and SHE altogether? All those four demons? Or could that „us” refer to a battle where only SHE and Holly are left to fight.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623049324
elena_tapean 14 stycznia 2019 o 14:07 
116. Sudden revelation. Don’t put your mother’s photo back on the mirror. It is you who shall be electrocuted there. This fate will come to fruition when Holly will put her mother’s photo back on the glass.

a.) The omen wanted Holly to do otherwise. Not to put that photo there. SHE warned Holly.
b.) We have the confirmation in the menu title.

Why did you do that Holly? Why did you have to electrocute your mother like that? Why would anyone put their mother in a torturing chair even if it’s just a photo?

I must thank ms52 for telling me that the mirror from Elizabet’s room in TF1 is the one from the Enlightment Room in TF2, but now it is shattered to pieces by the dagger (see point 132).

Holly suffers the same fate her mother went through. If so, she is the transfigured Mother, haunting the place; whereas Dahlia is watching the Three suffering.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623048670

117. An allusion to Alice in Wonderland is the cutscene where Holly drinks the potion. It is rightfully labeled „Drink Me”.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623044541

118. The last of the creepy labels is the ending cutscene: „Welcome home. One last time.” So:

a.) Holly has been here before.
b.) A place called home. Was she living here?
c.) If Laudius maneuvers everything around here, then the hospital where Elizabeth give birth was his. However, he didn’t know about the Triplets until Elizabeth told him about it.
d.) The „one last time” could suggest that Holly repeated her life and now, as she rightfully says, she lives in a deja-vu. (She remarked this at the at the busts)

119. Was she fooled in all this time? All her life? Was she locked here? Did she eat and drink here? Did she go to boarding school not long from here? Is she really Dahlia?

120. In the drinking potion scene, Holly has a gash on her right cheek! Was it there before?! Even in TF1?? She might not have it on the cheek, but on the right side of the upper lip. And she told us that her doll has a gash on her right cheek.

a.) Inside the padlocked door from TF1 we find a doll with a gash on her right cheek.
b.) Dahlia/SHE has that gash in Heather’s basement.
c.) Holly’s name craved by fingernails on the photo of Dahlia’s internment.
d.) Dahlia is showing Holly’s past.

Gash upper lip #1: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623049444
Gash #2: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623049581
Gash #3: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623050011
Gash #4: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623047548

Holly is Dahlia! https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623050599
elena_tapean 14 stycznia 2019 o 14:08 
121. The Bonus Chapter will be Holly’s past, her childhood.

a.) How she witnessed her mother’s death.
b.) Everybody will think she did it being an uncontrollable child. (See her playground in TF1)
c.) She is then send to the asylum. (However, mother was alive when she was interned.)
d.) Elizabeth tried to remove her daughter, but of no use.
e.) Holly managed to escape the fire*, she returned home and witnessed her mother’s death.
f.) She was switched with one of the sisters and returned to the asylum.
g.) Heather left on time. Holly and Dahlia were mistaken for one another.

*Don’t tell anyone: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623046000

122. There are two creepy music titles: „A step closer to her” and „Dance, sister, dance”.
a.) her = HER, SHE
b.) Dahlia likes music and dancing. (The guy which hates noises can prove it.)

123. The Journalist’s tapes are labelled I, II and IV. There a total of 10 tapes: 6 for I, 1 for II and 3 for IV.

124. Holly is trying to find notes of other people’s experiences with HER, apart from Jack and Alex. This is in the Evidence option.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623050516

125. Holly remarked while looking at the photo where Dahlia is interned in the asylum. „Is this... Dahlia? (...) She looks just like me or Heather”.

a.) What if she is you?
b.) You are looking at your own self!
c.) But because you are a triplet, you don’t know who’s who. Unless you have a distinctive marker that sets you apart. In your case with Dahlia, there is no such thing.
d.) The last image from the spot the difference minigame, there are two girls that look similar, both have brown hair. The other one is blond.

Must see Holly as a child. The figurines from TF1 will help. How was her hair? Short, bob, black hair?
elena_tapean 14 stycznia 2019 o 14:08 
126. We knew that Dahlia died in the fire. Then we find out in TF2 that she came back alive. As Rachel put it: „The Dahlia! Alive!” The sisters have been switched. One is dead, while the mistaken one is alive.

127. If the upper reasonings are correct, then Holly was made to watch the Three suffering.

128. Now it all explains why the sudden change of mind. Elizabeth interned „Holly” in the asylu, not Dahlia, the uncontrollable child. When she saw her mistake, she wanted to remove her from the asylum, but was blocked by Laudius.

129. In the final cutscene, you can see the bar and the piano during the gala. This piano is mysterious as it does not appear along with the bar cart within the game, but it appears in the photo in the newspaper about the massacre. It also appears in one of the Bonus Chapter’s pictures, somewhere else than the asylum.

130. The intermingled names of the sisters pose some questions:

a.) H = why wasn’t Holly’s name written first?
b.) E
c.) A = the final letter of Dahlia’s name
d.) T
e.) H = the first letter of Holly’s name
f.) E
g.) R

Normally, the vertical name is perceived as the most important. The horizontal ones seem to come as secondary characters.

Holly is hidding behind the „I have been here” door from TF1. SHE came at the door to murder Elizabeth or Holly?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623045606
elena_tapean 14 stycznia 2019 o 14:09 
131. Holly resembles SHE when she puts her finger before her mouth. Why keeping silence?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623045643

132. SHE is between the Elizabeth’s broken mirror and the piano. This wallpaper is symbolist to the max.

a.) SHE is a combination of a transfigured self (the broken mirror) and a creative being (the piano).
b.) SHE is the combination between Elizabeth and Laudius (the amorous affairs, the ritual).
c.) The mirror is colored in dark tones, while the piano is shining as a bright light.
d.) Heaven or Hell theme.
e.) The central light shows the viewer who is the central character of the story. This character is obliged to choose which path he/she should take or it might also show what the character is.
f.) The branches symbolize the dark forces ready to overwhelm the mind which is represented by the Administration Building. We see HER mind in this wallpaper. We are in HER mind.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623046063

133. As pointed out by 8dognight, the fire starts with a dropping of a flaming match just like in the Antichrist movie. After the fire spread out, a grandfather clock falls on the floor set on an important time stamp, 6:46. Emma’s train.

Sorry for the blurr: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623046273

134. What is that thing next to the flaming match? Not the chair, but that thing. Also, if the fire spread out so rapidly, then that floor was imbued with kerosen, isn’t it?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623046529

135. What car do you think Holly is driving?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623047392

136. The transfigured SHE from the mirror cutscene looks like the demonized SHE from TF1. You can find that demonized face in the wallpapers of TF1 and compare it with the one bellow.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1623048715
elena_tapean 14 stycznia 2019 o 14:11 
I'll find myself famous tomorrow. :) Good night, friends!
8dognight 14 stycznia 2019 o 14:34 
Początkowo opublikowane przez Sarah:
Guys, pay close attention to the screenshot of the fire, where we see a woman asking us to be silent. Please, look at the creatures and faces the fire shows. Every screenshot is a work of art in itself, with loads of information to uncover. The truth is that an evil ritual took place, one that needed one special child to be fulfilled.
And one more thing: look at the screenshots taken after she drinks that potion. What do you see on the wall? Every detail matters.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1572346631

The white piano on the extreme left seems to shift white to greys & browns as Holly's vision ripples. On the wall directly in front of her in the rotunda is a stylized Egyptian lotus or papyrus that may close off the hallway and in front of that is a peculiarly stiff female figure dressed head to toe in a white jumpsuit. Thr bar cart seems to be on the far right.

I think I borrowed this shot either from ms52 or Elena and now I have to loop back and read her posts.
Ostatnio edytowany przez: 8dognight; 14 stycznia 2019 o 14:38
Shae419er 14 stycznia 2019 o 16:48 
Hi everyone, first time poster here. I honestly signed up and paid the $5 just to chat with you guys. 😄 I have read this whole thread within the past 4 days and wanted to wait until I finished both games for a second time before making any comments. Every theory I have read so far made me focus so much more on every detail of the game I never would have though of half the things you guys have come up with. It's amazing to think about how many different ways this could go. Looking forward to sharing ideas with you guys until the next chapter come out!
ms52 14 stycznia 2019 o 19:56 
Hi Shae419er, and Welcome!

I like your comments that i've read, they all make sense and ask good questions.

Few of us re-played both TF1 with Bonus and TF2 few times now.
With each re-play I notice other details, or look for clues stated by our wonderful eagle eyed contributors to this ongoing Theories thread.

Please do share your ideas and findings with us.
Thank You.
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