Is Mahjong Rigged? Also How do I git gud?

[ThatRandomName]

(Also... I'm not very good at mahjong) Wild out of nowhere question, but it really feels like the Yakuza mahjong tables are rigged.. Like the first 3 turns of an *easy* table and 2 of the players already got riichi. Then the very first tile I discard is exactly what they needed. "Oh what's this? A player not discarding dot tiles? Guess they are looking for a certain dot tile... let me get rid of this one west tile" "RON!"...

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1952995268 Like does this seem like something an easy table would have?

Apart from that, when it's my turn to discard a tile they give me a spamful of the tile types I don't have any of, so I discard that one then when it's my turn again I get the same type of tile. Like I have 0 number tiles, 10 bamboo tiles 0 dots tiles 2 wind tiles and 1 dragon tile, I discard the drawn number tile, then they give me another of the same number tile. It just feels like the game is knowing how close you're getting to a win so they just throw curves at you or something

Can someone who knows mahjong tell me how wrong I am and that's normal in mahjong? Cause watching real players play mahjong online, I never see them call riichis that early (most of the time) or get that many clone discarded tiles

[fejota]

I didn't remember mahjong being rigged here. It was long ago since I last played the game.
So, in order to get good, here's my take:

• Enable the option Kuitan (all simples / tanyao with open hand) and disable the 2 han minimum to be able to win easier.
  
• Don't call titles: chii, pon, open-Kan unless you know what you are doing.
  
• If you have a pair of dragons (like 2 red dragons in your hand), you are in luck. If somebody discards the third one, you can safely call it (with pon) and you hand will have a guaranteed yaku (yakuhai / fanpai). Afterwards, you can call anything in order to get a hand.
  
• If you never called once (concealed hand) you can press the button (IIRC triangle in a PS4 layout) to check if you can riichi. Doing riichi is also a yaku. Pro people don't rely on riichi that much, but my opinion is that begginers should go for close hands + riichi to get used to the game. When you are more experienced (and learnt more yaku), feel free to use it or not.
  
• Maybe you already know that, but a hand consists in 4 groups of three (triplet [3 identical tiles] or a sequence of the same suit, like 456 of circles) + a pair.
  
• You can't make a sequence of honor tiles (dragons and winds), so having different honor titles is not worthy (you can opt for 13 orphans yakuman but good luck with that).
  
• Check the dora indicator. If you can insert the dora tile in your hand, you can get more points in case you win. Dora unfortunately is not a yaku.
  For the dora thingy: The dora indicator indicates that the next one is the dora. For example: if the dora indicator is 6 bamboo, the dora will be the 7 bamboo.
  In case of the winds, the sequnce is East -> South -> West -> North
  And for the dragons: White -> Green -> Red. You can rember it easier if you sort them by alphabetical order.
  
• Check the discard piles for all players to see how many tiles are left from a desired one. In Mahjong there are 4 titles for each one: 4x red dragon, 4x 1 bamboo etc.

Yaku for begginers:

• Yakuhai: as said before a triplet of dragons is a yaku. Yakuhai also refers to a triplet of the round's wind or you seat's wind. All games begin with the East round, so having 3 east winds is a guaranteed yaku.
  
• All simples: your hand must not contain any 1,9 and honors. For example 234 bamboo + 666 man + 567 circles + 345 man + 44 circles
  
• Riichi: You can have it if your hand is closed and you are a tile away from victory (for example having 4 sequences and waiting for the pair). You must also have 1.000 points or more to call riichi.
  
• All triplets: As the name implies, your hand mustn't have any sequence. You can call pon to upgrade a pair in your hand to a triplet from any player.

[LArc7thHeaven]

Riichi feature is only in japanese mahjong henceforth called riichi mahjong, don't watch chinese mahjong its different. And also you have to press X on xbox controller to trigger riichi. The game did not mention that you have to trigger riichi manually. Just make triplets and pair and trigger riichi that's the easy way to play

[ThatRandomName]

I know most of these basic tips like the ability to call riichi, and most of the basic winning hands, but it doesn't stop the other AI players from getting Riichi every 3rd or 4th turn... I mostly try to go for Half/Full Flush, or Seven Pairs, but I never seem to get the tiles I need, and keep discarding tiles that would've made a good hand if I didn't discard the one before it

https://youtu.be/Y5saUyUNPAo this is prob the best hand I've gotten in Kiwami 2 but I almost never can get a lot of wins compared to the other AI players. As like after a full game at a table, at most I get like 1-2 wins compared to like 2 of the bots wrecking house with their early riichis. I've been trying to enter the tournaments, but it wants me to fully win a game which I have yet to do, I only got 2nd place 2 times out of like 10 full games while the rest I get 3rd or 4th

[fejota]

In that video, if it were for me, I'd pon the east wind. Even more, because it was dora. But in your case, it proved more profitable to riichi because of the ura dora.
EDIT: a haneman win is not too bad. Almost half of the times a big hand is so due to dora and ura dora.

[ThatRandomName]

I changed the way I played, I call pon's and chi's far more. I get less points but more consistent points. Stops the bots from getting their huge points hands... https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1959502948

EDIT: well uhh I can win every table except easy... Medium/Hard tables and the tournaments are far more easy than the easy table ironically. Yeah literally easy table gets a lot more early riichi's and ron's, not even joking https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1959603168

[Legato Bluesummers]

only the hard tourney table is rigged imo. In Y0 and K1 i was able to beat every tourney and every table, despite some major setbacks early in the K1 tourney where you fight the hard table guys early on (which are completely broken since the top 3 players in the K1 tourney are infinitely easier to beat than #27-#25 which are the players from the hard table iirc). K2, never beat the hard tourney table. It's going to take a miracle, they don't even get that many above average hands, it's because they get those hands on like the 6th round of drawing. Which gives you no time to make a decent hand.

[ThatRandomName]

Originally posted by Legato Bluesummers:

only the hard tourney table is rigged imo. In Y0 and K1 i was able to beat every tourney and every table, despite some major setbacks early in the K1 tourney where you fight the hard table guys early on (which are completely broken since the top 3 players in the K1 tourney are infinitely easier to beat than #27-#25 which are the players from the hard table iirc). K2, never beat the hard tourney table. It's going to take a miracle, they don't even get that many above average hands, it's because they get those hands on like the 6th round of drawing. Which gives you no time to make a decent hand.

That was like the complete opposite for me, I literally beat all the hard tables with out much challenge https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1959991883 but struggled with the easy table the most cause I had your same problem. Used one of my peerless tiles on the easy table cause I was so done with trying on it.

[Legato Bluesummers]

I believe it, there were people that struggled massively with the intermediate table in Y0, never had a single problem with it. Could just be random, but no doubt something is broken about it. Although, it's a little hard to complain because you wouldn't get so many great hands in real mahjong. it's slightly skewed in your favor (or the CPU's)

[ThatRandomName]

To people still subbed to this for some reason... can anyone explain why this dora han is so high? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1961602780

Like I see I only got 2 sixes and a single red five, so wouldn't that be like 2 to 3 Han or something? idk much about doras so....

[fejota]

Originally posted by ThatRandomName:

To people still subbed to this for some reason... can anyone explain why this dora han is so high? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1961602780

Like I see I only got 2 sixes and a single red five, so wouldn't that be like 2 to 3 Han or something? idk much about doras so....

IIRC in that screenshot it shows the actual dora, not the dora indicator; so you have 4 north wind + 4x 5bamboo + 1 red dora (5 bamboo) = 9 dora

[Denamic]

I have just found out that I really, really, REALLY ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hate mahjong

[ThatRandomName]

Originally posted by Denamic:

I have just found out that I really, really, REALLY ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hate mahjong

I find mahjong fun once I learned how to play the basics... The most annoying part is when the other players are constantly winning, taking your discards, or calling early riichis. Yakuza 2 mahjong on the other hand has all 3 happening a lot tho

[Legato Bluesummers]

Originally posted by ThatRandomName:

To people still subbed to this for some reason... can anyone explain why this dora han is so high? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1961602780

Like I see I only got 2 sixes and a single red five, so wouldn't that be like 2 to 3 Han or something? idk much about doras so....

that is such a killer hand, dora is how you get those sweet achievements for your CP list in mahjong. trying to pull big Han with hands is going to be a grind. doing it with dora is easy street. Turning on Red Dora in the options is absolutely necessary imo.

[無明]

Originally posted by fejota:

I didn't remember mahjong being rigged here. It was long ago since I last played the game.
So, in order to get good, here's my take:

• Enable the option Kuitan (all simples / tanyao with open hand) and disable the 2 han minimum to be able to win easier.
  
• Don't call titles: chii, pon, open-Kan unless you know what you are doing.
  
• If you have a pair of dragons (like 2 red dragons in your hand), you are in luck. If somebody discards the third one, you can safely call it (with pon) and you hand will have a guaranteed yaku (yakuhai / fanpai). Afterwards, you can call anything in order to get a hand.
  
• If you never called once (concealed hand) you can press the button (IIRC triangle in a PS4 layout) to check if you can riichi. Doing riichi is also a yaku. Pro people don't rely on riichi that much, but my opinion is that begginers should go for close hands + riichi to get used to the game. When you are more experienced (and learnt more yaku), feel free to use it or not.
  
• Maybe you already know that, but a hand consists in 4 groups of three (triplet [3 identical tiles] or a sequence of the same suit, like 456 of circles) + a pair.
  
• You can't make a sequence of honor tiles (dragons and winds), so having different honor titles is not worthy (you can opt for 13 orphans yakuman but good luck with that).
  
• Check the dora indicator. If you can insert the dora tile in your hand, you can get more points in case you win. Dora unfortunately is not a yaku.
  For the dora thingy: The dora indicator indicates that the next one is the dora. For example: if the dora indicator is 6 bamboo, the dora will be the 7 bamboo.
  In case of the winds, the sequnce is East -> South -> West -> North
  And for the dragons: White -> Green -> Red. You can rember it easier if you sort them by alphabetical order.
  
• Check the discard piles for all players to see how many tiles are left from a desired one. In Mahjong there are 4 titles for each one: 4x red dragon, 4x 1 bamboo etc.

Yaku for begginers:

• Yakuhai: as said before a triplet of dragons is a yaku. Yakuhai also refers to a triplet of the round's wind or you seat's wind. All games begin with the East round, so having 3 east winds is a guaranteed yaku.
  
• All simples: your hand must not contain any 1,9 and honors. For example 234 bamboo + 666 man + 567 circles + 345 man + 44 circles
  
• Riichi: You can have it if your hand is closed and you are a tile away from victory (for example having 4 sequences and waiting for the pair). You must also have 1.000 points or more to call riichi.
  
• All triplets: As the name implies, your hand mustn't have any sequence. You can call pon to upgrade a pair in your hand to a triplet from any player.

great post thanks

[BawlerLeKid]

As a great mahjong player not to say ''pro''
Who plays mahjong ranked everyday with real people online on my cellphone

And after 20 games at the hard table,
I can totally say that it is RIGGED

Yakuza so makes me laugh,
For the dev, HARD means you have a 5% chance of winning even if the best odds on the world to RON are on your side AKA Ultra Mega Overpowered Over 9 Thousands Kage Bunshin No Jutsu Mr, Roboto HARD
(Not impossible tho)

And sure it's always the SAME AI that wins every rounds

It's totally and completely rigged
End of story