Why no Kiwami 3 nor Dragon Engine ?

[Hardtarget01]

Yakuza 3 - 5 has been remastered for PS4 in Japan but they are not Kiwami nor do they use the very pretty Dragon Engine. Whats up with that? Im impressed by how good Kiwami 2 looks on PC!

[JigenDaisuke]

Because the first 2 Yakuza were PS2 games. There is no need to remake Y3, 4 and 5 from scratch, they are already modern enough.

[LArc7thHeaven]

Actually hoping at least 3 given kiwami treatment, my only complaint on Y3/4 is how ugly kiryu face compared to Y5/Y0 but here's hoping that RGG studio gives kiryu another kiwami installment treatment

[Catbus]

I've seen 4K 60FPS footage of Yakuza 3 and I actually think it holds up very nicely (though I feel the same way about Yakuza 1/2). I don't think a Kiwami 3 will be needed until perhaps the next generation of consoles arrives.

[David Young Henning]

3-5 will only get 1080p 60FPS.
Believe it or not RGG do not want to spend 4 more years remaking previous titles.

[Tr0w]

Originally posted by David Young Henning:

3-5 will only get 1080p 60FPS.
Believe it or not RGG do not want to spend 4 more years remaking previous titles.

They could just let other SEGA studios handle remakes/remasters while RGG work on new stuff.

[dancingstar93]

According to a recent interview (allowing for vagaries of translation ofc):

Originally posted by Daisuke Sato (RgG series producer):

We’ve gained so many new fans of the Yakuza series since the PS4 came out, and they don't necessarily own a PS3, so we brought these games to PS4 so that they can play the full series. However, the Kiwami games took a full team about one year each to rebuild each game and add new mechanics. If we did the same with 3, 4 and 5, that would be another three years, and we’d prefer to use that time to make entirely new games like Judgment and New Yakuza, so instead we decided to make remasters of those games.

Source.

[HIKAGE]

Nagoshi said, the dragon engine is good but it is peaky and difficult to handle.
https://gamestalk.net/post-84514/

I think the production process is complicated and expensive. So don't use dragon engines.
The Yakuza series is fun and cheap.
And the evaluation on the steam is also high.
Almost 90% positive.
But it's unbelievable, it can't sell better than indie games.
So SEGA can't put in a budget.

[Tr0w]

Originally posted by Kanaev:

Originally posted by Spr1ggan:

They could just let other SEGA studios handle remakes/remasters while RGG work on new stuff.

Terrible idea.

Why? Adding a new coat of paint to an already made title is not something that requires the main dev team.

[CharlesBaa_]

Porting things to a new engine isn't a "new coat of paint".

Remastering the game is.

[Catbus]

Originally posted by Spr1ggan:

Originally posted by Kanaev:

Terrible idea.

Why? Adding a new coat of paint to an already made title is not something that requires the main dev team.

Ports and remasters handled by outside studios tend to go poorly. I appreciate that the remasters of Yakuza 3-5 are being handled at Sega.

[Hardtarget01]

Those of us who likes Yakuza games have probably played Y3-5 already on PS3. Whats it in for those on PS4 (Who most likely come from PS3) ? A bit fancier graphics and 60 fps which is typical of a so called remastered game. No extras? Why purchase such a game? Also to mention that Kiwami 2 PC version is insanely beautiful and beats the remasters silly with the Dragon engine.
PS That Substory about Yakuza (SUNSET) 3, were they actually bad mouthing Yakuza 3 ? They stated that Yakuza Sunset 3 had been cut to pieces which is actually true in the west! Not same director, the game sucked they stated in Kiwami 2! And to top it all Kiryu himself watches Yakuza (Sunset) 3 in a video booth and says he can see why it flopped! Low effort street brawls that lacks the punch, bad ending, could see why it flopped.
PPS How have the PS4 Japanese sales for the remasters been like in Japan ? Top or flop ?

[TGT]

Originally posted by LArc7thHeaven:

Actually hoping at least 3 given kiwami treatment, my only complaint on Y3/4 is how ugly kiryu face compared to Y5/Y0 but here's hoping that RGG studio gives kiryu another kiwami installment treatment

Kiryu was a whole snack in Y3/4

[Johnnius]

Originally posted by Hardtarget01:

PS That Substory about Yakuza (SUNSET) 3, were they actually bad mouthing Yakuza 3 ? They stated that Yakuza Sunset 3 had been cut to pieces which is actually true in the west! Not same director, the game sucked they stated in Kiwami 2! And to top it all Kiryu himself watches Yakuza (Sunset) 3 in a video booth and says he can see why it flopped! Low effort street brawls that lacks the punch, bad ending, could see why it flopped.

I had no idea, that's pretty interesting, thanks.

[Sammich]

It's a shame, but it would take a lot of work to remake okinawa for kiwami 3 and it seems like they would rather be working on new games instead.

[BadDudesaBomBa]

Originally posted by JigenDaisuke:

Because the first 2 Yakuza were PS2 games. There is no need to remake Y3, 4 and 5 from scratch, they are already modern enough.

They're really really not. I just started playing 3 and it's a GIANT step back from Kiwami 2. Feels super janky and weird. They really should have remade these with the dragon engine.