Kevin or Duran for healer

[revanravenstar]

Should I make kevin or duran my healer or should I just up choclates hunnys and candies?

[solthusx]

Strictly speaking you don't really need a dedicated healer if you're fine with using items for healing.

[revanravenstar]

Oh I c I was just wonder outta the two whos ideal I know durans dark cast weapon buffs

[solthusx]

Originally posted by revanravenstar:

Oh I c I was just wonder outta the two whos ideal I know durans dark cast weapon buffs

Between the two, Duran is a better healer because Kevin doesn't have any abilities that improve his healing. Both offer different things in addition to healing in their Light classes. Kevin remains good at doing damage, though not as much as his Dark classes. For Duran, Paladin is tanky and has a strong CS, while Liege has passive buff auras while being reasonably tanky.

[revanravenstar]

hmm I just wondering I should make every1 is all I have basicailly all guys lol
does light duran learn the elemental sabres?

[Aumires]

You can absolutely skip healers if you feel confident enough. I am now finally playing on Hard after the 3 stories (on New Game, not +s, of course) and my team for this test is Duran (Edelfrei) Angela (Grand Diviner) and Rietz (Starlancer) and...

So far, it has been a really, really easy playthrough. Perhaps the easiest thus far even. You got enough items for the important fights and if any character dies they just revive with 1 HP and they still GET EXP. Not that it happened often, just a couple nukes the AI decided to facetank.

I still don't have Moon Saber btw, so still no "free heals". Almost near the endgame and I am pretty sure I have now more items that I am ever going to need for the bosses.

If you have to choose between the two for a healer, definitely Duran. Kevin has far more potential in his other classes and Duran as Liege (for multiheals) is still a very, very good offensive character. Paladin also heals for like 400 per Healing Light and has an AoE class strike. About Duran's sabers, only Paladin learns... Holy Saber and nothing else.

[revanravenstar]

Ah Okay I just make him a galditior then hAaveing elemental saberes helps I made hawkeye ninja since well he a few elemental attacks

[grasida]

Warrior Monk may not be as good a healer as Duran, but he’s a really solid attacker. Leaf saber and attack saber 2 mean you’ll have tons of damage while still getting the multi-target heal. It’s redundant with Edelfrei, but still probably a good fit with Duelist.

That said, you don’t need a healer at all.

[solthusx]

Originally posted by grasida:

Warrior Monk may not be as good a healer as Duran, but he’s a really solid attacker. Leaf saber and attack saber 2 mean you’ll have tons of damage while still getting the multi-target heal. It’s redundant with Edelfrei, but still probably a good fit with Duelist.

That said, you don’t need a healer at all.

That's Kevin's strength (or weakness depending on your point of view), he'll always be mainly a damage dealer no matter which class you use, its just a matter of weather you prefer for him to have even more damage or a few useful tricks on the side.

[revanravenstar]

well I decied on all dark classes and my boys r all real power houses :D so as soon I can get to belizel Im gonna stock up on poto oil so mass heal party. My boys rarely take dmg so potions will do for them.

[ryu600RR]

kevin is better offensive healer since he also gets leaf saber and pressure point
duran is the better tank with shield and provoke

problem with kevin's he's probably already busy on offense to heal anyone if he's in ur party

but i always prefer duran he's more fun

if u play the 2x hp boss mod, which is super fun, u'r gonna need a dedicated healer for sure

[revanravenstar]

Ah okies For fun I tried them them all dark so they do lots dmg three em Idk if u resest the first set classes without items?
Hawkeye-Ninja Duran-Gladiator Kevin-BRawler all on balanced attack :D They rarely get damaged

[EbonySeraphim]

Originally posted by solthusx:

Between the two, Duran is a better healer because Kevin doesn't have any abilities that improve his healing. Both offer different things in addition to healing in their Light classes. Kevin remains good at doing damage, though not as much as his Dark classes. For Duran, Paladin is tanky and has a strong CS, while Liege has passive buff auras while being reasonably tanky.

What? Kevin Warrior Monk and Duran Liege both have Heal Upgrade to increase their heals by 35%. By class 4 Kevin gets the best healing amount buff in the game with Heal Upgrade II boosting by 50%. Even Charlotte's heal boosting abilities come in much smaller percentages or with the restriction of healing a target with < 30% HP. Kevin doesn't have tinkle rain so he can't remove status effects as Warrior Monk, but he does have Leaf Saber so he can sustain his own MP while healing. Kevin also remains a very strong fighter even as he has these healing abilities. The trade off with Duran's abilities is he is better at taking damage away from the party with Provoke and Guard(Paladin), and auto-healing in certain conditions. Duran also has Tinkle Rain as Leige and Holy Saber as Paladin.

Using a healer will perhaps let you hold onto more money (which can help you more fully purchase all available gear later game), but you don't need it at all to clear the game. If you make one of them a healer, do it because you perhaps prefer the way that class works overall with your party over who you think is a better healer. Mostly because at the end of the day, you want neither to be having to heal. Maybe Duran is more acceptable if he's light path already to be healing because you're not missing out on as much damage, but the issue is Duran is best as Edelfrei and even has Moon Saber which is healing for physical damage dealers. Kevin having to heal a bunch very much takes away from his damage output even on the light path.

[solthusx]

Originally posted by EbonySeraphim:

Originally posted by solthusx:

Between the two, Duran is a better healer because Kevin doesn't have any abilities that improve his healing. Both offer different things in addition to healing in their Light classes. Kevin remains good at doing damage, though not as much as his Dark classes. For Duran, Paladin is tanky and has a strong CS, while Liege has passive buff auras while being reasonably tanky.

What? Kevin Warrior Monk and Duran Liege both have Heal Upgrade to increase their heals by 35%. By class 4 Kevin gets the best healing amount buff in the game with Heal Upgrade II boosting by 50%. Even Charlotte's heal boosting abilities come in much smaller percentages or with the restriction of healing a target with < 30% HP. Kevin doesn't have tinkle rain so he can't remove status effects as Warrior Monk, but he does have Leaf Saber so he can sustain his own MP while healing. Kevin also remains a very strong fighter even as he has these healing abilities. The trade off with Duran's abilities is he is better at taking damage away from the party with Provoke and Guard(Paladin), and auto-healing in certain conditions. Duran also has Tinkle Rain as Leige and Holy Saber as Paladin.

Using a healer will perhaps let you hold onto more money (which can help you more fully purchase all available gear later game), but you don't need it at all to clear the game. If you make one of them a healer, do it because you perhaps prefer the way that class works overall with your party over who you think is a better healer. Mostly because at the end of the day, you want neither to be having to heal. Maybe Duran is more acceptable if he's light path already to be healing because you're not missing out on as much damage, but the issue is Duran is best as Edelfrei and even has Moon Saber which is healing for physical damage dealers. Kevin having to heal a bunch very much takes away from his damage output even on the light path.

Kevin's Heal Upgrade abilities increase the healing received by the people equipping them, not the healing that he does. You could either stack both Heal Upgrade abilities on one person for insane healing on that target or spread them out for moderate, but still high healing on two characters. Charlotte when focused entirely on healing increases healing received on all party members by 25%, increases her own healing by 50% when healing targets at 30% or lower HP and provides 3% HP Regeneration every 20 seconds. Mind you this uses up 5 out of 8 ability slots at Class 4 and is way more healing than needed, while Kevin only needs two abilities to optimize his healing.

I'll say that while Kevin is not necessarily the strongest healer, he is more useful due to not loosing too much damage dealing ability in exchange for healing as a Warrior Monk. Whereas Duran as a Liege is giving up a good deal of his damage potential for his healing and support abilities. And Charlotte when focused on healing is not good for much else (persumedbly the reason her Light classes are not very popular).

[revanravenstar]

ah At moment they all dark and I cant rest And I dont want to start ovr lol I am at Chap 3 but Idk I dont really like kevins dark class so far and you get only reset so late in game but for now I am have fun so the boys r power house as all darks

[EbonySeraphim]

Originally posted by solthusx:

Originally posted by EbonySeraphim:

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Kevin's Heal Upgrade abilities increase the healing received by the people equipping them, not the healing that he does

Ah ha! You're right! Holy crap I never noticed that. I've played Warrior Monk but never relied on it critically enough for actual healing. So Recover II from Duran's Knight is the advantage in healing amount.