There's a rebalance mod for Trials of Mana!

[Star]

It's on the nexus site, titled "Trials of Mania - A Difficulty Rebalance Mod."

I don't know if we're allowed to post link and if not, I'll remove it and apologize in advance.
https://www.nexusmods.com/trialsofmana/mods/16

Yaaay! Now's our chance to discuss changes with the modder, and perhaps even give him some helpful insight and thoughts! :D

[Juub]

Bathrobe Rat の投稿を引用：

I'll give my two cents. Make the difficulty accurate of the original game. There will always be those edge lords that want "the hardest game ever". You will never satisfy them.

Just make the difficulty in line with the original, and the fanbase of Trials of Mana will be happy. You will be a success if you do this.

Not possible chief. The original has bosses dishing out unavoidable attacks and the battle system is totally different.

Has anybody tried this mod extensively? Thoughts thus far?

[Doresh]

Juub の投稿を引用：

Not possible chief. The original has bosses dishing out unavoidable attacks and the battle system is totally different.

Not only that, but both bosses and regular enemies loved to automatically retaliate with their strongest AoE attack if you used anything but your most weaksauce attack and spells against them.

[DragonBaldee]

Juub の投稿を引用：

D's Journal の投稿を引用：

The fact the game has telegraph AoE's that's easy as hell to jump away from instead
of the you're forced to be hit thing in the original makes this game wayyyy too easy.

They should just port the original game here.
It was harder and you had coop.

The original was even easier, come on.

Your right. The Original was just as if not exactly as easy. Anyone who says differently forgets that all spells froze the screen and hit all targets. Saint Beam for example. Trials just makes getting hit our fault for not dodging.

Also No one who has ever truly played a rom had friends over to play it. Every tried to convince a friend to go left when you want to go right in a game... I can tell you it's not fun.

If they are going to mod the game into basically blinding the player from attack so they can get hit just let them. I'd just rather have the version that I payed for.

[DragonBaldee]

Ghaleon の投稿を引用：

I've been a gamer since 1977. I've played all those games from text to Atari to Commodore 64, arcade, NES, SNES, the Sega game systems, even games on obscure devices and fan translated games never released in the States on cartridge systems using hack floppy devices.

What's unbelievable is every game that comes out now has a bunch of people endlessly complaining about how it's not hard, hard, hard, hard, hardcore. And talk about entitled? I've seen endless posts with people complaining on a ton of games that not only was the game way too easy, it should have been made hard hardcore hard and that should be the only mode, because everything in a game should be "earned".. I mean, people that want it to be very hard but they also claim they can't have fun if other people don't have it as difficult as they want.

So sick of the complaining.

It's not just games, though. Every movie that comes out there are throngs of people who pretty much demand that they be consulted by the writers of every script so their favorite headcannon can be enshrined in them.

It's so irritating that it seems like everybody hates everything, and nobody seems to enjoy anything anymore.. Hell even I was critical of this game being changed from overhead 3rd person to a style more like The Witcher 3 (which was the last game I completed before playing this one), but mainly because I wanted to play this game online with a friend who I played the Secret of Mana remake with online.. And he's been telling me for 20 years about it and how much better than Secret of Mana was. Actually turned out to be a hell of a lot of fun anyway single player.

Guess I'm just, overall, sick of this difficulty topic on every. single. game. Ever since 2000. Seemed to start with The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind when a bunch of people flooded their message boards demanding super hardcore play complete with full save wipes if you died, etc.

I for one agree with you. I too played Joust on Atari and DnD on my Zenith Computer. The first Final Fantasy and every one till X because I had to go to college and make something of my life. Most ... 99% of them will never know and never care about Gamer seniority though.

Just like you said it is a generation that is convinced that they have seen it all and has an opinion that can't be ignored. I am hear to tell you negativity can always be ignored and negative self-entitled headcannon halfwits should never be fed.

I know you are tired... but know you are not alone.

[Debrel]

Imagine entering a discussion for something that clearly doesn't interest you just to whine about and insult the people who are interested. People wanting more challenge isn't a personal attack on your fragile egos, just move on with your lives.

[Ghaleon]

DragonBaldee の投稿を引用：

Ghaleon の投稿を引用：

I've been a gamer since 1977. I've played all those games from text to Atari to Commodore 64, arcade, NES, SNES, the Sega game systems, even games on obscure devices and fan translated games never released in the States on cartridge systems using hack floppy devices.

What's unbelievable is every game that comes out now has a bunch of people endlessly complaining about how it's not hard, hard, hard, hard, hardcore. And talk about entitled? I've seen endless posts with people complaining on a ton of games that not only was the game way too easy, it should have been made hard hardcore hard and that should be the only mode, because everything in a game should be "earned".. I mean, people that want it to be very hard but they also claim they can't have fun if other people don't have it as difficult as they want.

So sick of the complaining.

It's not just games, though. Every movie that comes out there are throngs of people who pretty much demand that they be consulted by the writers of every script so their favorite headcannon can be enshrined in them.

It's so irritating that it seems like everybody hates everything, and nobody seems to enjoy anything anymore.. Hell even I was critical of this game being changed from overhead 3rd person to a style more like The Witcher 3 (which was the last game I completed before playing this one), but mainly because I wanted to play this game online with a friend who I played the Secret of Mana remake with online.. And he's been telling me for 20 years about it and how much better than Secret of Mana was. Actually turned out to be a hell of a lot of fun anyway single player.

Guess I'm just, overall, sick of this difficulty topic on every. single. game. Ever since 2000. Seemed to start with The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind when a bunch of people flooded their message boards demanding super hardcore play complete with full save wipes if you died, etc.

I for one agree with you. I too played Joust on Atari and DnD on my Zenith Computer. The first Final Fantasy and every one till X because I had to go to college and make something of my life. Most ... 99% of them will never know and never care about Gamer seniority though.

Just like you said it is a generation that is convinced that they have seen it all and has an opinion that can't be ignored. I am hear to tell you negativity can always be ignored and negative self-entitled headcannon halfwits should never be fed.

I know you are tired... but know you are not alone.

That wasn't me, that was the guy disagreeing with me, which I felt misrepresented my opinion to begin with. I'm not demanding every game be super mega h ardcore hard. I just wanted a game t hat ALREADY HAD a hard option, not NOT be easier than games already criciticized for being too easy. that's all. But no, everyone has to strawman these opinions and make us out to be some kind of whiney never happy sadist.

If the game didn't have a difficulty option to begin with, and it was too easy, I would have b een like man.. I wish it was more challenging, but I wouldn't have made any threads about it. But the fact the developers released a pre-release demo, and they had 4 difficulty options. CLEARLY THEY MEAN to cater to a wider audience in terms of difficulty preference no? So there is nothing entitled or whatever to speak up pre-release and say 'hey guys, thanks for having a hard moe, it's just.. uhh. it's still really easy, maybe tone it up a bit before release"?

No entitlement, it's just constructive criticism. I didn't say the game sucks, I didn't say people who like it are trash. But instead dozens of people have to white knight for the game and belittle the people who just wanted to offer their opinion saying 'they are never happy, you can't please them', etc.

Whatever, I gave up trying to reason with these people. I'm glad someone made a mod.. The same people had to bash the modmaker even though, geeze.

[DragonBaldee]

Ghaleon の投稿を引用：

DragonBaldee の投稿を引用：

I for one agree with you. I too played Joust on Atari and DnD on my Zenith Computer. The first Final Fantasy and every one till X because I had to go to college and make something of my life. Most ... 99% of them will never know and never care about Gamer seniority though.

Just like you said it is a generation that is convinced that they have seen it all and has an opinion that can't be ignored. I am hear to tell you negativity can always be ignored and negative self-entitled headcannon halfwits should never be fed.

I know you are tired... but know you are not alone.

That wasn't me, that was the guy disagreeing with me, which I felt misrepresented my opinion to begin with. I'm not demanding every game be super mega h ardcore hard. I just wanted a game t hat ALREADY HAD a hard option, not NOT be easier than games already criciticized for being too easy. that's all. But no, everyone has to strawman these opinions and make us out to be some kind of whiney never happy sadist.

If the game didn't have a difficulty option to begin with, and it was too easy, I would have b een like man.. I wish it was more challenging, but I wouldn't have made any threads about it. But the fact the developers released a pre-release demo, and they had 4 difficulty options. CLEARLY THEY MEAN to cater to a wider audience in terms of difficulty preference no? So there is nothing entitled or whatever to speak up pre-release and say 'hey guys, thanks for having a hard moe, it's just.. uhh. it's still really easy, maybe tone it up a bit before release"?

No entitlement, it's just constructive criticism. I didn't say the game sucks, I didn't say people who like it are trash. But instead dozens of people have to white knight for the game and belittle the people who just wanted to offer their opinion saying 'they are never happy, you can't please them', etc.

Whatever, I gave up trying to reason with these people. I'm glad someone made a mod.. The same people had to bash the modmaker even though, geeze.

All I meant to say is don't let it get you down. I saw someone else post "Shut up old man" and could tell the next few post weren't going to be anything else but passive aggressive and toxic so that was me saying your better than this post.

Mod or not it's just a bunch of people copying and pasting over someone else's work and saying they did it better. Kinda like DBZ Abridged, sure its funny but better than the original.... no.

[PantsuMask]

LOL... always with mods. The game is fine. Really no need to mod it with this.. "stat" harder bloat of a game and ai... LOL. smh. OG wasn't even hard. at all.. the game was nintendo hard with free dmg from the enemies in the game and bosses. I honestly do not want to sit in a boss fight with 3 items and sponge boss going on for 1hour while... your ai team mates wouldn't even survive half the fights in the game anyway.. that isn't fun at all.. you'd use all your 3 items in the first few seconds of the fight almost.. gamer's now days. Hard mode is fine. this mod wouldn't fix anything honestly.. square would have to patch the game with a new mode or the game itself.

[Captain Plan it]

if we can find out how to increase the bosses cast speed things would be better, and a way to change the control scheme to be more like phantasy star online

[Juub]

PantsuMask の投稿を引用：

LOL... always with mods. The game is fine. Really no need to mod it with this.. "stat" harder bloat of a game and ai... LOL. smh. OG wasn't even hard. at all.. the game was nintendo hard with free dmg from the enemies in the game and bosses. I honestly do not want to sit in a boss fight with 3 items and sponge boss going on for 1hour while... your ai team mates wouldn't even survive half the fights in the game anyway.. that isn't fun at all.. you'd use all your 3 items in the first few seconds of the fight almost.. gamer's now days. Hard mode is fine. this mod wouldn't fix anything honestly.. square would have to patch the game with a new mode or the game itself.

GTFO with your trolling.

[Aumires]

PantsuMask の投稿を引用：

Hard mode is fine.

I literally less than 20 seconds Dangaard with just lv42+ Duran Edelfrei+Rietz Starlancer by buffing/saber, slashing the head charging Thunderstorm, and class striking with both.

On Hard. I love it because it pays off building a powerful team, but please... it isn't hard at all, as per usual, with the appropiate preparation.

[Faray]

I played it for a bit but it just felt no harder but longer. I didn't really go past the first boss. I get there are limits to modding, but I really don't want to just fight HP sponges early on.

[PantsuMask]

Aumires の投稿を引用：

PantsuMask の投稿を引用：

Hard mode is fine.

I literally less than 20 seconds Dangaard with just lv42+ Duran Edelfrei+Rietz Starlancer by buffing/saber, slashing the head charging Thunderstorm, and class striking with both.

On Hard. I love it because it pays off building a powerful team, but please... it isn't hard at all, as per usual, with the appropiate preparation.

Just pretty much the same type of gamer's that think they can do better and really.. they just tweak the files and data that the dev's already used lol.. if they devs wanted the game to be annoying hard they would've. hard mode is fine, I didn't say it was super hard.. couple bosses can be annoying .. yea, with appropiate prep you can pwn ♥♥♥♥. that goes for any game. most just want a fake sense of achievement in a game same with the sjw wanting a fake sense of pandering. I just want to play on a decent challenge and enjoy the story, gameplay & characters, Like most of the players that enjoy the game as it is. then you get people like in this tread LOL.. acting like they are going to fix a not broken game. Kind of like how the kevin fans are made he isn't op anymore.

[Aegix Drakan]

Here's the best part about this mod, mate.

You don't have to install it if you don't like it.

You can carry on enjoying the game as it was intended, smug in your sense of superiority that you got the intended experience (which, admittedly, WAS a pretty great experience)

But those of us who wanted a little more challenge are able to get it. And honestly, that's a beautiful thing.

PantsuMask の投稿を引用：

LOL... always with mods. The game is fine. Really no need to mod it with this.. "stat" harder bloat of a game and ai... LOL. smh. OG wasn't even hard. at all.. the game was nintendo hard with free dmg from the enemies in the game and bosses. I honestly do not want to sit in a boss fight with 3 items and sponge boss going on for 1hour while... your ai team mates wouldn't even survive half the fights in the game anyway.. that isn't fun at all.. you'd use all your 3 items in the first few seconds of the fight almost.. gamer's now days. Hard mode is fine. this mod wouldn't fix anything honestly.. square would have to patch the game with a new mode or the game itself.

Hard mode is "fine", sure.

But considering how the game gives you TONS of super powerful tools, and I NEVER felt like I really needed to use them, I feel like the game was missing something.

It's "fine", but it's not incredible.

This mod made the endgame content actually feel properly challenging on hard mode, where I actually NEEDED to use all those powerful abilities, actually NEEDED to upgrade my equipment, actually NEEDED to spend all of my Training points.

Normal fights, instead of being a "oh hey there's a 5 second distraction I can beat with 3 Axe Bomber spells" became "oh wow, I actually need to pay attention and use Stat Buffs", which was great. And bosses? Now, instead of being over in like a single minute, they actually lasted about 5 minutes, long enough to feel satisfying when I overcame them.

Yes, the postgame boss is total BS on hard with this mod because it massacres the AI and also overwhelms you with stuff to to, but other than that, the mod made the game go from a "This is pretty fun" to a "Holy crap I'm having an ASBOLUTE BLAST".

[Pisaro]

PantsuMask の投稿を引用：

LOL... always with mods. The game is fine. Really no need to mod it with this.. "stat" harder bloat of a game and ai... LOL. smh. OG wasn't even hard. at all.. the game was nintendo hard with free dmg from the enemies in the game and bosses. I honestly do not want to sit in a boss fight with 3 items and sponge boss going on for 1hour while... your ai team mates wouldn't even survive half the fights in the game anyway.. that isn't fun at all.. you'd use all your 3 items in the first few seconds of the fight almost.. gamer's now days. Hard mode is fine. this mod wouldn't fix anything honestly.. square would have to patch the game with a new mode or the game itself.

LOL. Hardmode is fine? Hardmode should ne "normal", better "easy". Because hardmode is very easy in this game.. you even dont need healers on hardmode.