4th classes

[Jargous]

For those that do not get Square Enix emails, Trials of Mana will have Class 4.

Some examples...

Duran: Divine Hero, Berserker
Angela: Mystic Queen, Spellbinder
Kevin: Beast King, Annihilator
Charlotte: High Priestess, Chaosbringer
Hawkeye: Wardenkeep, Vigilante
Riesz: Meteorite, Brynhildr

It makes me wonder if these will be final paths to their Light/Dark alternates regardless of 3rd choice (Light/Dark, Light/Light, and Dark/Light, Dark/Dark respectively). If not, then we would definitely have another 2 more choices to make.

Some of these names do sound familiar to the Class 3 choices, but seeing how it is advertised as Class 4, perhaps we might be seeing something extra? SD3 definitely did not have Class 4, so this must be something new.

Enjoy everyone...

[Lord Doober De La Goober MXI]

....???

https://www.dualshockers.com/trials-of-mana-post-game-classes-new-game-plus/

this is what you're talking about right?

though I can already hear the *fans* going on about who-know-whos dark class change.....

[Jargous]

Why, yes. That's exactly it, but these Square Enix emails are so vague. Mentions nothing about that.

Forgot to add that at least your link clarifies that it can be changed regardless of choices made beforehand. I suppose the next question is what will we see in New Game +. It really makes me wish that if Square Enix does do a great job in this, they can update it to work for co-op.

[Lord Doober De La Goober MXI]

Originally posted by Jargous:

I suppose the next question is what will we see in New Game +. It really makes me wish that if Square Enix does do a great job in this, they can update it to work for co-op.

Same, the're doing A LOT of work on this and more.
I really do hope it works out for them so they can do more support for this title in the future

[Juub]

The new classes look neat but I'm on the fence with them because there are only two of them as opposed to the expected 8. Now there are only two choices for a final class instead of 4 so it make it seem like NG+ options will be more limited. Maybe they can add more in a patch? Would be nice.

[Shuichi Niwa]

Not gonna add anything more, even the class themselves is quite limited since they are basically the combined form of the 4 Class 3. One is Light/Light + Light/Dark and the other is Dark/Light + Dark/Dark. Personally I'm a bit disappointed but nevermind, it's a bonus tier, shouldn't asked for too much, they can't balance a whole 8 Class 4 for every characters.

This is the description for Hawkeye's Class 4. Other characters are the same.

One of the topmost Thief classes. Wardenkeeps have the support skills of a Nomad and the versatile attacks of a Rogue. They learn abilities that automatically strengthen their party.

One of the topmost Thief classes. Vigilantes know the hindering moves of a Ninja Master and have the high attack power of a Nightblade. After weakening the enemy, they can take them down with their strength.

Technically speaking, this Class 4 may really limit our final choice from 4 Class 3 to a simple option - Light or Dark. I'm not feeling good about them but let's wait and see.

[Lost Question]

im almost wondering if you will be able to unlock all the classes to change (probably not since one part of the game is plotting out what your characters will become class wise)

[Jargous]

I'm hoping that your Class 4 choice isn't fixed when it becomes available. For example, if Duran ended up as Lord or Paladin end-game, the next choice would ONLY be Divine Hero. Either Square Enix decided that this is crown/mantle that the 3rd class choice would follow or we are given the freedom to go the complete opposite.

I suppose the question here is do these Class 4 advancements come with extra skills, or only 'upgraded' skills if they exist. It sort of hurts the replay factor if the 2nd class choice (which I think will be the deciding factor) or 3rd class choice ultimately decide your Class 4 advancement.

[AH-1 Cobra]

What if your first 2 classes is a variation of dark + light or light + dark, how will that impact your ability to chose between one of the 4th tier classes, or will you be able to pick dark or light for the 4th tier regardless of your previous class choices, as well as keep their skills and spells?

Like for example, can I go duelist (dark + dark) on Duran, and then pick Divine Hero as my 4th class, while keeping all of Duelist's skills and spells? I'm kinda hoping you can do this, because then a 4th class pick would be what you choose to balance out your class with stuff you don't have. For example, maybe DIvine Hero learns multi-target light saber, and you can go dark + light on Duran for Sword master to get multi-target elemental sabers, and then pick Divine Hero for additional sabers. Or, maybe you want multi-target heal rain on Kevin, so you go with Warrior Monk, and then settle on Kevin's Dark class for the 4th class to get more damage.

[AH-1 Cobra]

Originally posted by Lost Question:

im almost wondering if you will be able to unlock all the classes to change (probably not since one part of the game is plotting out what your characters will become class wise)

Yes, you will be able to respec your class with an item called goddess scales. How many are available per playthrough is anyone's guess though. They're supposed to be pretty rare.

[darth.crevette]

Am I the only one who really dislikes most of the localized names for the 4th classes? I think the Japanese names were better for a lot of those.

I mean, some of them are good. "Mystic Queen" isn't that far off from "Witch Queen", and "Spellbinder" is clearly better than "Spell Caster" (wait, she *wasn't* casting spells before? Hmm...).
But I really Like Spriggan better than Wardenkeep, and "Vigilante" doesn't really click for me (but we all know Disney owns the word "Avenger"...). Savior sounds also better than "Divine Hero" imho.
But the worst contenders are still Lise's names. Just "Meteor" is way cooler than "Meteorite", and... Brynhildr, really? You do know that it's her Light path that's supposed to use Valkyrie names, right? Hraesvelgr is better thematically (we have Jormugand and Fenrir already), and fits more with the model itself.

Also, do we know 100% that the 4th classes just have all the skills from their previous Light/Dark cklasses? If true, Lise gets heavily shafted, as all she'd gain is an extra summon, whereas Light Hawk would get more spells than can fit in the menu...
I guess the true difference will come from whatever each class gets from their training tree, then.


Oh, and since I'm sounding pretty negative here, I'll just finish by saying HYYYYPE, CAN'T WAAAAAIT, so you all know I'm still super optimistic

[Shuichi Niwa]

Originally posted by darth.crevette:

Brynhildr, really? You do know that it's her Light path that's supposed to use Valkyrie names, right? Hraesvelgr is better thematically (we have Jormugand and Fenrir already), and fits more with the model itself.

The original Japanese name is also Brynhildr. And according to Nordic mythology Brynhildr is kind of a fallen Valkyrie, and she caused the death of Sigurd so yeah, I think the name is befitting the Darkside...

Originally posted by darth.crevette:

Also, do we know 100% that the 4th classes just have all the skills from their previous Light/Dark cklasses? If true, Lise gets heavily shafted, as all she'd gain is an extra summon, whereas Light Hawk would get more spells than can fit in the menu...
I guess the true difference will come from whatever each class gets from their training tree, then.

Don't worry, not gonna happens. Even with Hawk. Because now you have to put in Training points to learn moves and I'm sure we won't be able to master all of them. From what I have seen in some people's video who have the chance to play the game before it's released, I'm pretty sure my Star Lancer won't be able to summon Marduk simply because it need about 20+ point in the Intelligent tree and I won't let Lise go that way...

Btw, I'm so hyped up too. So hyped that I'm currently fan-translating the whole game, and farming the demo to make a savefile with Magic Pot Level 5.

[darth.crevette]

Originally posted by Shuichi Niwa:

The original Japanese name is also Brynhildr.

Nope, you're wrong on that one. ;)
If you go to the official Japanese site, her name is clearly (well, if you can read moonrunes) written フレースヴェルグ: "hurēsuverugu", Japanese for Hreasvelg (the final 'r' is often ommited in these names).

Official site: https://www.jp.square-enix.com/seiken3_tom/character/
(click on Lise's portrait, the button right under her CV's name to see the in-game model, round button right to the class tree to switch to her Dark path, rest should be simple enough)
Japanese wikipedia page on Hreasvelgr for reference: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%95%E3%83%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B9%E3%83%B4%E3%82%A7%E3%83%AB%E3%82%B0

[Shuichi Niwa]

Just rechecked, yeah sorry I'm wrong about that.

While we are on this topic, anyone know why they change Forcena to Valsena? The Japanese is definitely Forcena, though. Or is it true that they just want to get away from the fan-translation of SD3 as much as they can?

[Schutzengel]

Originally posted by Shuichi Niwa:

Not gonna add anything more, even the class themselves is quite limited since they are basically the combined form of the 4 Class 3. One is Light/Light + Light/Dark and the other is Dark/Light + Dark/Dark. Personally I'm a bit disappointed but nevermind, it's a bonus tier, shouldn't asked for too much, they can't balance a whole 8 Class 4 for every characters.

This is the description for Hawkeye's Class 4. Other characters are the same.

One of the topmost Thief classes. Wardenkeeps have the support skills of a Nomad and the versatile attacks of a Rogue. They learn abilities that automatically strengthen their party.

One of the topmost Thief classes. Vigilantes know the hindering moves of a Ninja Master and have the high attack power of a Nightblade. After weakening the enemy, they can take them down with their strength.

Technically speaking, this Class 4 may really limit our final choice from 4 Class 3 to a simple option - Light or Dark. I'm not feeling good about them but let's wait and see.

Where did you find the description of the 04 Classes ?

[Shuichi Niwa]

Originally posted by Schutzengel:

Where did you find the description of the 04 Classes ?

Inside the demo itself, I need to pull out the text so I can translate it :D