Devs made a mistake when creating sparrow?

[Asenath]

I've met sparrow but looks like sparrow has a male body,face and in dialogue is a he,his but has a female voice I am guessing the devs made him,her this way for a reason or by mistake or is he a mutant like the one woman in orange that had a mutant face that I and the player thought was a mask?

[Becik]

I noticed that too. But that's not the only mistake. They don't have a physics engine built into the game.
That was the biggest mistake in this game.

[Asenath]

Originally posted by Becik:

I noticed that too. But that's not the only mistake. They don't have a physics engine built into the game.
That was the biggest mistake in this game.

In truth it's not as good as fallout 1 and 2 if I would vote in order what ones are best to just ok I would say fallout 1 and 2 is at the top being the best under these two would be weird west it's really good loved the detail and mechanics the player could knock out npc's and carry them over shoulder like a sack of potatos kind of funny could not stop laughing and the animated stars around the knocked out npc's cute mechanics and next comes arcanum loved the fantasy and steampunk mixed mechanics the last one I would add this encased it's ok but not as good as the others.

[ThortheBore]

Sparrow is trans.

[Darx]

Originally posted by ThortheBore:

Sparrow is trans.

another minus star for the game

[alation13]

Originally posted by ThortheBore:

Sparrow is trans.

If you can be bothered with his/her story it is made pretty obvious.
It is just a box ticked by the devs to make the mainstream reviewer happy.

[Icedfate]

more phobics and haters. ignore them.
it's not even in your face.
the character never outright says he is trans except he hints at it in his final dialogue at the end of the game.
it's not woke trash. it's just a design decision for whatever reason that has absolutely no impact on the gameplay.
the character backstories are meaningless.

at character creation, you can even pick a male or female body and then choose the opposite gender if you like.
now we just need to see devs putting the NB option in their games.

i do wonder about sparrow, because there are actually 2 characters named Sparrow. when you first get to the rest stop in the prologue, there is a female of colour named Sparrow who is also a hippie drug addict and you can ask her about her name and she mentions a tattoo of a sparrow on her body. you can also try to talk her into the whole drugs are bad thing but that doesn't work.

and then you se ethe companion Sparrow later, and she/he is obviously white. . or maybe some sort of Asian i dunno.
but then again, there is a machine that lets you change your own parameters. maybe she used it(?)

[alation13]

Originally posted by Icedfate:

more phobics and haters. ignore them.
it's not even in your face.
the character never outright says he is trans except he hints at it in his final dialogue at the end of the game.
it's not woke trash. it's just a design decision for whatever reason that has absolutely no impact on the gameplay.
the character backstories are meaningless.

at character creation, you can even pick a male or female body and then choose the opposite gender if you like.
now we just need to see devs putting the NB option in their games.

i do wonder about sparrow, because there are actually 2 characters named Sparrow. when you first get to the rest stop in the prologue, there is a female of colour named Sparrow who is also a hippie drug addict and you can ask her about her name and she mentions a tattoo of a sparrow on her body. you can also try to talk her into the whole drugs are bad thing but that doesn't work.

and then you se ethe companion Sparrow later, and she/he is obviously white. . or maybe some sort of Asian i dunno.
but then again, there is a machine that lets you change your own parameters. maybe she used it(?)

It is not about "phobics and haters" to me. Compared to the other companions sparrow appears to me to be boring and not well fleshed out. Pretty much sparrow is trans and lost his/her parents, OK that is enough depth for that character.......OK.......next......another box ticked.
By comparison I found the other companions much more entertaining.

The hippy was actually called swallow not sparrow, yes they are both small birds, but about as different as a house cat and a bear. Same order, different family.

EDIT: I would like to point out that there is a big difference between a phobia or hatred and just not caring. I don't care about cows, It does not mean I hate them or am scared of them, I just don't care.

[Icedfate]

@alation,
that wasn't directed at you, but at the other guy @darx who goes, "oh well, it has a trans character, so another minus star."

like really. you ding them on their rating, just because a side character doesn't fit into your gender norms and then claim you're not transphobic?

like, why is that such a dealbreaker? the game barely even mentions it.

[ZeroEffekt]

Originally posted by alation13:

The hippy was actually called swallow

Could you show me again? I didn't get a good look.

[Icedfate]

i stand corrected on the Swallow character, i must have misread the name. you can understand how easy it is to make that mistake though.

[ZeroEffekt]

Originally posted by Icedfate:

like really. you ding them on their rating, just because a side character doesn't fit into your gender norms and then claim you're not transphobic?

I personally dinged the rating for a while because I thought it was a modeling ♥♥♥♥ up, considering there's various instances of mismatching text descriptions vs portraits vs models. Took me a while to remember I could be a man and choose a female body (or woman with a male body).
I still half-ding it for that, on account of it not being obvious enough to really distinguish it from a simple error in model choice. Just so I'm clear, I'm indifferent to the actual "he's trans" aspect.

Originally posted by Icedfate:

i stand corrected on the Swallow character, i must have misread the name. you can understand how easy it is to make that mistake though.

I actually thought that I was going to see Swallow again when meeting Sparrow. That added to the confusion until I reloaded an earlier save to recheck.

[alation13]

I only remember the difference because I started my second playthrough yesterday, so I met swallow again only a few hours ago.

[Icedfate]

on the subject of sparrow. it never actually "says" anywhere in game that sparrow is "transgender"..
then, there is the issue that swallow never reappears again after the prologue, while sparrow never appears during it.
some of the other characters appear during the prologue, like katarzyna and victoria, but not sparrow.

what if swallow got kidnapped behind the scenes and forcibly transformed into sparrow?

yeah, it's a stretch.
just saying maybe we shouldn't make assumptions.

as for dinging the game, it's understandable. the game has flaws, it's "finished" but just barely. the gameplay is easily breakable. the game itself can be slow paced, especially if you obsessively loot every container, of which you kinda have to since 90% of the early and mid game xp comes from that. . .
i just hope folks are dinging it for the right reasons.

[alation13]

Just out of curiosity does it ever refer to Crump as a biological male or Kat as a biological female? Yes they say man and woman but since we are splitting hairs.
Just playing a little bit of a devils advocate here.

[Icedfate]

Krump is just a stereotypical Glasgow Thug trope, while Kat, i dunno what she's suposed to be. she says she was unjustly accused of a crime , but all the other companions think she's full of crap, i went on a whole thing about her in another thread.

Fox has a whole other kind of identity crisis going on there, along with all the other Fops who "become" their masks.
it reminds me of Batman, how it's only when he puts on that mask and cowl, only then is he being his true, genuine self and Bruce Wayne is the costume