Really terrible story-writing and overall bad, boring game

[dankmemes9988]

It pains me to see how far Square has fallen. I played thru 2 different stories for about 30 minutes until I just couldn't go on. That is how cringe-worthy the story-writing is in this game. The characters are incredibly shallow caricatures, they have no personality and it's impossible to sympathize with them at all. How did we go from Final Fantasy 7 to this? Anyway try it, who knows you might like it, if you like cardboard cutout characters and cookie-cutter plot lines.

The ONLY positive thing I can say is that the music was pretty good. Beyond that, I did not like anything about this game.

[Shyguymask]

Xbob42 původně napsal:

Shyguymask původně napsal:

I'm curious, people keep saying that FF is better than Octopath and crap

In what aspects besides storytelling? LOL

Considering most people play JRPGs, which are 40+ hour story-driven games... for the story, that's not just an "LOL" moment. Story is incredibly important, as well as characters.

Simply because story-over-gameplay JRPGs are popular doesn't mean they are good. Most Final Fantasy games (specifically the old ones) are outdated and overshadowed by basically any modern turn-based RPGs with ever so slightly deep and interesting battle systems and overall gameplay (like Octopath). Even free Flash games like Sonny and Epic Battle Fantasy are 10x better. Gameplay is by far the most important aspect of a video game, if you want story and characters just go read a book or watch an anime. Octopath has flaws yet it's one of the better turn-based RPGs around because it happens to excel at the one aspect that actually matter. Its soundtrack and visuals are nice bonuses as well.

[Xbob42]

Guys up in here trying to tell me the most important part of a role-playing game is the mediocre ass turn-based battle system. Some people really have the absolute worst taste. I've been a fan of JRPGs all my life and the absolute best gameplay in the absolute best JRPGs is like 1/5th as good as any game that's actually centered around gameplay, and the gameplay is similar enough to other genres like turn-based strategy that you can go to those games to get the depth and strategy of combat. No part of JRPG gameplay outshines other genres.

Gameplay is not the most important aspect of every video game, and absolute statements like that are what gets us trash like Octopath Traveler. The most important part of any video game is completely dependent on the type of game and what the developer is setting out to do. Simplistic statements like "well if you want story then read a book" always read like they're coming from a 12 year old child. By that same logic, if you want good gameplay, play just about anything except a JRPG.

A game is generally the sum of its parts, sometimes more, sometimes less, but almost always just the sum. And Octopath's gameplay alone is mildly novel. It's not amazing, it's not great, it's not revolutionary. Every other aspect of the game is basically generic nothingness. So you've got one part that's kind of okay, and 10 parts that are awful because someone at Square read the line "gameplay is the most important part of a game" and took it way too far.

I get that when you've got ADHD, are barely literate and have the patience of a crack fiend, that the idea of sitting back and enjoying a story that you also happen to take part in can be a really challenging idea, but you should really try it sometime. At the very least, if you're of the mind that gameplay is the most important part of any game, for the love of god stop playing JRPGs because you've picked one of the worst genres to have that opinion in.

[Shyguymask]

My guy we already had this discussion before, in this same thread even:

Shyguymask původně napsal:

Xbob42 původně napsal:

Actually, the most important aspect of a video game is what you are looking to get out of that video game.

If I want a story, I can just go read a book or watch an anime.

"Games can have good stories too!"

Yes. But if you play a game primarily/only for the story, the gameplay gets in the way, when it comes to animes you can just watch and get comfortable. If you try to call story games "interactive movies", then can it really be called a "video game" anymore? Generally, video games are vastly inferior to animes and books when it comes to storytelling, and if you want to give examples of games with great stories, the vast majority of JRPGs certainly don't make the cut, including (if not especially) Final Fantasy and blah blah.

I'm not judging your personal preferences, but when it comes to what video games excels at, let's get real here.

That shouldn't come at the expense of a decent story

Guess Super Mario World is a horrendous game because it doesn't have a story. Sob sob.

♥♥♥♥ing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥t

What is this language called?

Personally, when I come to JRPGs, I come for a mix of an in-depth story with interesting characters along with solid turn-based combat. If there's not a good mix of the two, I typically bounce.

Don't try to tell me you like Final Fantasy after writing that.

The story wasn't good, it was generic as ♥♥♥♥, but at least it was a STORY.

That sentence can also be 100% applied to Octopath. Trying to claim that Octopath doesn't have a story is a silly lie to try and add oomph to your argument. It won't work here.

(not amazing, the combat isn't THAT good)

How is it NOT that good? What are the flaws of the battle system? How would you improve it? What you say in an argument is not immediately facts.

At least teenagers save the world is something happening. For ♥♥♥♥'s sake, if you make generic tropes sound good you've gone off the deep end.

Stop talking like Octopath's story murdered your family. I hardly cared for the story but you're
massively exaggerating about how bad it actually is.

Nobody except crazy people come to a 40+ hour turn-based RPG only for the combat. That sort of tedious repetition has got to do terrible things to the human mind.

Has it occurred to you that a certain monster-capturing RPG's battle system literally spawned an entire big competitive scene around it? I'll let you figure out what game I'm talking about, pal.

Anyway, I actually agree that JRPG is the worst genre for gameplay overall. Keyword: Overall. It's the numerous games like FF that get praised like the second coming of christ even though the gameplay of those games are mediocre at best and drag down the genre. Games like Octopath are the exception because they have actually decent gameplay, having better gameplay is basically a synonym for being a better game.

Have fun with your ATTACK HEAL ATTACK ATTACK HEAL spam fest, I'll be pulling deep and smart strategies in the good games!

[Peludismo]

Xbob42 původně napsal:

Guys up in here trying to tell me the most important part of a role-playing game is the mediocre ass turn-based battle system. Some people really have the absolute worst taste. I've been a fan of JRPGs all my life and the absolute best gameplay in the absolute best JRPGs is like 1/5th as good as any game that's actually centered around gameplay, and the gameplay is similar enough to other genres like turn-based strategy that you can go to those games to get the depth and strategy of combat. No part of JRPG gameplay outshines other genres.

Gameplay is not the most important aspect of every video game, and absolute statements like that are what gets us trash like Octopath Traveler. The most important part of any video game is completely dependent on the type of game and what the developer is setting out to do. Simplistic statements like "well if you want story then read a book" always read like they're coming from a 12 year old child. By that same logic, if you want good gameplay, play just about anything except a JRPG.

A game is generally the sum of its parts, sometimes more, sometimes less, but almost always just the sum. And Octopath's gameplay alone is mildly novel. It's not amazing, it's not great, it's not revolutionary. Every other aspect of the game is basically generic nothingness. So you've got one part that's kind of okay, and 10 parts that are awful because someone at Square read the line "gameplay is the most important part of a game" and took it way too far.

I get that when you've got ADHD, are barely literate and have the patience of a crack fiend, that the idea of sitting back and enjoying a story that you also happen to take part in can be a really challenging idea, but you should really try it sometime. At the very least, if you're of the mind that gameplay is the most important part of any game, for the love of god stop playing JRPGs because you've picked one of the worst genres to have that opinion in.

Dude, calm down please, try to get around the idea that not everyone will think like you do. But asumming that people have ADHD, are barely literate and have little patience is underestimating them. So for the sake of the conversation try to calm down with those statements.

Now, I do agree that the important thing in a game revolves around in the type of game and the intention of the developer. What I see in most JRPG is that they are a mix between story telling and gameplay. Depending on the game sometimes they bounce to one side more than the other.

I don't know about other people, but what I look in a JRPG is exactly that mix and generally they deliver pretty well. One thing that I always hope for in a JRPG is a hard difficulty mode (tales of games usually deliver very well in this aspect) because the normal gameplay is pretty easy. But that's me cause I enjoy a slighty more challenging game. But some people do enjoy the relaxed gameplay.

Octopath Traveler exactly... I mean, I'm playing it, when I'm done i'll be able to tell if i liked it or not. But so far it's ok! Story and gameplay wise are ok. I don't think they're ground breaking but they're not BAD.

I don't know, maybe you had very high hopes for this game and you were let down? That's very common.

[Till]

All you guys mentioning Final Fantasy and none mentioned Dragons Quest which is better in my opinion. I'm stuggling with this game as well at the moment; which sucks because I was really hoping it would be fun. I love JRPGs, but this one is just too casual for me. I start to get tired an hour or so in and have to play something else. The combat can only hook you so long, and the story it slooooow.

Side quests are dull as well, unlike in Dragon Quest 11 where they were the high point. I figure I'll muddle through it and eventually finish it in between other games. Glad to see I'm not the only one.

[ntall1]

Shyguymask původně napsal:

My guy we already had this discussion before, in this same thread even:

Shyguymask původně napsal:

If I want a story, I can just go read a book or watch an anime.

"Games can have good stories too!"

Yes. But if you play a game primarily/only for the story, the gameplay gets in the way, when it comes to animes you can just watch and get comfortable. If you try to call story games "interactive movies", then can it really be called a "video game" anymore? Generally, video games are vastly inferior to animes and books when it comes to storytelling, and if you want to give examples of games with great stories, the vast majority of JRPGs certainly don't make the cut, including (if not especially) Final Fantasy and blah blah.

I'm not judging your personal preferences, but when it comes to what video games excels at, let's get real here.

Guess Super Mario World is a horrendous game because it doesn't have a story. Sob sob.

What is this language called?

Don't try to tell me you like Final Fantasy after writing that.

That sentence can also be 100% applied to Octopath. Trying to claim that Octopath doesn't have a story is a silly lie to try and add oomph to your argument. It won't work here.

How is it NOT that good? What are the flaws of the battle system? How would you improve it? What you say in an argument is not immediately facts.

Stop talking like Octopath's story murdered your family. I hardly cared for the story but you're
massively exaggerating about how bad it actually is.

Has it occurred to you that a certain monster-capturing RPG's battle system literally spawned an entire big competitive scene around it? I'll let you figure out what game I'm talking about, pal.

Anyway, I actually agree that JRPG is the worst genre for gameplay overall. Keyword: Overall. It's the numerous games like FF that get praised like the second coming of christ even though the gameplay of those games are mediocre at best and drag down the genre. Games like Octopath are the exception because they have actually decent gameplay, having better gameplay is basically a synonym for being a better game.

Have fun with your ATTACK HEAL ATTACK ATTACK HEAL spam fest, I'll be pulling deep and smart strategies in the good games!

Yea... just keep repeating yourself. Thats how we have conversations!

Game is crap, get over it. Story telling in an RPG is the main feature, everything else is secondary. This game is an overpriced RPG maker game, and thats as clear as day. Argue till you are blue in the face if you want, but endlessly regergatating the same points that had no value over and over does not a conversation make.

[Cyiel]

ntall1 původně napsal:

Shyguymask původně napsal:

My guy we already had this discussion before, in this same thread even:



Anyway, I actually agree that JRPG is the worst genre for gameplay overall. Keyword: Overall. It's the numerous games like FF that get praised like the second coming of christ even though the gameplay of those games are mediocre at best and drag down the genre. Games like Octopath are the exception because they have actually decent gameplay, having better gameplay is basically a synonym for being a better game.

Have fun with your ATTACK HEAL ATTACK ATTACK HEAL spam fest, I'll be pulling deep and smart strategies in the good games!

Yea... just keep repeating yourself. Thats how we have conversations!

Game is crap, get over it. Story telling in an RPG is the main feature, everything else is secondary. This game is an overpriced RPG maker game, and thats as clear as day. Argue till you are blue in the face if you want, but endlessly regergatating the same points that had no value over and over does not a conversation make.

The same goes for you when you are saying that this is a "RPG maker" game. Yes sure made under UE4, there is so many "RPG maker" games made under UE4. I'm sure you can cite me one.

I agree that Story Telling is important in rpg but for you OT is bad, for me it is good. There is no argument here, just plain opinion and feelings. For you it is overpriced, for me it is fair (in western). Once again, no argument, no fact, just your opinion (and mine). So saying that this "game is crap" gives so much to the conversation... it gives so many nuances in your "statement", so many possibilities to discuss. You are lecturing him for repeating ad nauseam the same thing but you are worse because you are just closed to any conversation.

[Shyguymask]

ntall1 původně napsal:

Yea... just keep repeating yourself. Thats how we have conversations!

Game is crap, get over it. Story telling in an RPG is the main feature, everything else is secondary. This game is an overpriced RPG maker game, and thats as clear as day. Argue till you are blue in the face if you want, but endlessly regergatating the same points that had no value over and over does not a conversation make.

Tries to criticize the way I argue, proceeds to repeat arguments himself and spout the "rpg maker" meme argument as well. Hmm.

Come back when you are more educated and have an actual argument. See ya!

[unrealph]

Well well you just don't like it, bruh.
For me that grown up with poor graphic good game play game, this is a very preciuos gem to get my hand on.

PS. Ophelia best girl!!!

[Kwisatz Haderach]

Some of the intro stories are pretty bad, both in terms of plotting and the actual dialogue script, but I found some chapter 2 stories pretty well realized.

As for Square (who is only the publisher of this game, not the developer), their writing has always been crap.

[NewYears1978]

Shyguymask původně napsal:

When you fail to notice the biggest strengths of the game is its battle system, the open nature of the world and the NPC interaction, of course it will look bad in your eyes. Maybe it's time to accept JRPGs can be more than the 90% story 10% actually interesting gameplay, even if this game is flawed.

[green_abobo]

actually like this game > setsuna etc.s or that last one oni-whateves

its like final fantasy meets ultima iv. its pricey but so are alot of games.

then again i made my bones on 8 16 & 64 bit games.

[MintLollyAphex]

isn't there going to be a sequel? just post to twitter and []-enix pages your thoughts for it...i agree this game should have more story...i am 37 and fell over backwards for tactics on my g.play accnt...but liked this game...had it on my switch, but i bought this for my japanese friend...(please just add me and IM me these answers):

is there japanese txt? is there a hack for it? ie mods etc? i'll post anything if i find it on google...ty, also invite me to your discord! cookies, plz, k, thnx

[Cyiel]

Well there is a prequel on mobile that should be launched in 2019 but was delayed to 2020 but still no date for western (Octopath Traveler : Champions of the Continent and it is not a gatcha game).

Now, SE also said there is was sequel in developpement for consoles (and later for PC maybe ?).

[Mark]

Totally agree.
SQUARE have the most talented staffs to make up the game play, the music, the promotion of course. But they do not bother to hire some good story writers. It looks like a successful project, with very limited budget and tight schedule.