Balance is off -- I feel penalized for playing soviets

[Diojenes]

Massively inferior AA, Arty that can't hit a ♥♥♥♥ing thing unless you buy 3-4 at which point you've over-bought anyway and lose.

No radios for the arty, so you're never going to win there anyway, even if you spend more than your counterpart.

Small loadouts for decent AT, with the 76mm dual-purpose pop-gun being more prevalent than the 57mm.

Just an overall lack of variety in small things like having a single motorized 82mm with no radio and in far less availability than your German couterparts.

It honestly feels like most of the Soviet decks are entirely non-viable, with the remainder rail-roading you down a specific play path.

Inb4 historicity, if we're going by by the numbers of the time, the German airforce should be vastly reduced to match but *that* kind of asymmetricality isn't fun and people would rightfully complain. So why is it so accepted to dump all the major faction nerfs on the soviets lmao.

Playing the game as the soviets right now seems like an uphill battle the entire way, regardless of playstyle; which is ludicrous considering they're supposed to be half the selling point of a game set in Bagration of all operations.

And this is 3v3, and 4v4 games not the 10v10.

[IRDCAM]

I have no issues with Soviet decks, try playing maneuver warfare rather than nose on nose attrition warfare. Small forces pretty good sized map, hold his nose and keep his attention, sweep to his rear and kick him in his arse.....works for me, and just prevent him from doing it to you if and when you get one that likes to flank.

[Sluggger]

Ivan Trumpkov の投稿を引用：

I have no issues with Soviet decks, try playing maneuver warfare rather than nose on nose attrition warfare. Small forces pretty good sized map, hold his nose and keep his attention, sweep to his rear and kick him in his arse.....works for me, and just prevent him from doing it to you if and when you get one that likes to flank.

+1

Soviet decks are every bit as strong as the German divisions.

OP I would recommend using replays to see why you're getting the results you're getting, I'm pretty sure there's a more detailed explanation than simply saying the Germans have better stuff.

[Wyatt]

i play soviets most of the time and always lose and then when i play germans i always lose. So its perfectly balanced imo

[Sluggger]

Wyatt の投稿を引用：

i play soviets most of the time and always lose and then when i play germans i always lose. So its perfectly balanced imo

Lmao.

I lose most of my games also. There are some cheesy ways to spam/win but I'd rather have fun than use cheap exploits on game mechanics to win.

Also I spend most matches trying experimenting with new tactics and strategy, not necessarily trying to win.

[Maschinengewehr]

You've listed their weaknesses but failed to mention their strengths. Like the availability of fantastic T34/85s, numerous SMG armed infantry that chew through nearly everything in CQB, IS-2s, the best rocket artillery in the game with katyushas, some of the best fighters in the game with Yak-9 and P-39. The list goes on.

[cbnnr]

Don't forget off map artillery as well. Although you get limited uses, usually you get more than one availability on a card so it can be a lot of heavy artillery strikes.

I admit not all decks have all the tools but that's true on the german side as well.

[♔ Affable 7th Wave Teaboo ♔]

T-34's are among the fastest tanks in the game, giving Soviets mobility that Axis can only dream of. Combined with clever use of smoke, you can rapidly close-in and take apart anything. Close range infantry is also very good.
Broadly speaking, Soviets reward aggressive movement.

[fakemon64]

3-4 arty is overbuying? do you mean 3-4 arty pieces in total, or per battery?

[Δ*Alpha.]

fakemon64 の投稿を引用：

3-4 arty is overbuying? do you mean 3-4 arty pieces in total, or per battery?

This. I usually end up with 3-4 batteries of 3-4 arty pieces.
This is not Company of Heroes, where the distances are so short you can use a 105 with the precision of a dive bomber.

Secondly, what decks are you specifically referring to, because there are a lot of different decks, each letting you adopt a slightly different playstyle.

[skc]

There are some very good tanks in the soviet arsenal and if you are trying to trade rounds at distance then you will tend to lose out. Soviets historically had to use mass and speed to get up close to the german armour.

I think the divs are far better balanced than SD44. Differences remain but they are not so overwhelming like previously.

As slugger has said too, it's fun just trying a new div out. I tried 3AD last night after hearing how OP it is. Okay, I did have a screwed up deck but I dont think it's that great. Armour is mainly low pen stuff and infantry is low in number.

The number of aircraft are just too tempting to spend points on which cost me. Luckily my opponent wasn't hot on AA. I'm curious to try it again though. Its going to need some thought.

[Darth Squirrel]

Week 1: Germans too Strong
Week 2: Soviets too Strong

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Week 998: Soviet too Strong
Week 999: Germans too Strong

sigh..

[Fast Johnny]

I actually think the general balance is pretty good, no matter what side I play, I get my butt kicked.

[milaffka91]

Wyatt の投稿を引用：

i play soviets most of the time and always lose and then when i play germans i always lose. So its perfectly balanced imo

nice one, sir!

[Redwood]

It is a disadvantage to play the Soviets until you add the quantities of the forces, just like in the war. The Germans had the technology; the Soviets had the sheer hordes to overwhelm them with. I think the game designers in a way knew more than even they knew about.

[Protoss|]

Δ*Alpha. の投稿を引用：

fakemon64 の投稿を引用：

3-4 arty is overbuying? do you mean 3-4 arty pieces in total, or per battery?

This. I usually end up with 3-4 batteries of 3-4 arty pieces.
This is not Company of Heroes, where the distances are so short you can use a 105 with the precision of a dive bomber.

Secondly, what decks are you specifically referring to, because there are a lot of different decks, each letting you adopt a slightly different playstyle.

I guess you dont speak about 1v1 games do you? buying 12-16 arty pieces in 1v1 is over buying for sure, buying 3-4 shouldnt be if you dont buy the super expensive ones.