Please explain Eclipse advancements

[devxx]

i looked on-line, i looked in the manual and still not sure what's so special about them. you can put another advancement over the eclipse card OR you can slip the eclipse card behind another advancement. i got that. here's where i'm confused: so what? you lose the end game points on the eclipse card if you do. what do you gain? never, not in the manual or in the new tutorial does it say what you gain. the reason i'm asking is that i initially thought you got stacked effects. it never says that anywhere but i assumed that was the purpose of the eclipse card. you get what's on the eclipse AND you get what's on the advancement card that covers it. what is confusing me is that no, you don't get the end VP of the eclipse card if it's covered. BUT, it never says anywhere what you DO GET! :-) what do i get?

example: i play an eclipse card with 2 mana and 4 silver VP. next time the eclipse card comes up i put on top of it an advancement with 1 mana, 1 guardian and 2 silver VP. from then on that card when played gives me 3 mana, 1 guardian, and 2 silver VP?

thanks for any help!!

[Lord Gek]

As I understand it, these Eclipse advancements are the only advances that can later be overwritten. So I don't think you get ANYTHING from the overwritten advancement. Although now I'm confused, if you can add an Eclipse advancement behind a normal advancement, my reading makes no sense.

[Zaruma]

You can't sleeve an eclipse advancement over another advancement's art. The eclipse advancement usually gives a benefit (like an additional mana symbol), which you can sleeve over and to gain new resources, plus the mana from the eclipse advancement. They just allow you to make your cards more powerful than what is regularly possible.

[Lord Gek]

Originally posted by Zaruma:

You can't sleeve an eclipse advancement over another advancement's art. The eclipse advancement usually gives a benefit (like an additional mana symbol), which you can sleeve over and to gain new resources, plus the mana from the eclipse advancement. They just allow you to make your cards more powerful than what is regularly possible.

I get it now, they can be stand alone or piggyback on another advancement to add their goodness.

[devxx]

You can't sleeve an eclipse advancement over another advancement's art.

It can go behind another advancement or an advancement can go over it. I have no idea what your statement above means.
anyway, SO YOU DO GET the resources from both cards? you lose the silver VP of the eclipse card when it's put behind or is covered by another advancement but you say you keep the resources that are on both cards?

[AxemJinx]

If I remember correctly, eclipse advancements usually have a sidebar ability which you'll retain even if the eclipse-able portion gets covered later, so they allow for greater customization of individual cards than what would be possible in the base game and Vale of Magic.

You could think of them as upgrade-able advancements, since if I recall, the eclipse-able portion is typically not strong by itself.

[WotanAnubis]

Way I see it, you basically buy Eclipse cards for their sidebar/bottom bar ability. Because that bit remains even when you cover the card later on/immediately.

[Terrkas]

Basically, you can put a card like the unicorn onto a card, that allready got 3 advancements with a total of 4 decay symbols and still keep the effect of the unicorn (do not spoil if this card is on deck).

[MTaur]

This is worded rather confusingly. If I understand correctly...

1. The Eclipse upgrade usually(/always?) has a footer text bonus, which is sort of like a new 4th row for advancements.
2. You can't stack two Eclipse advancements on the same card, even if the body portions belong to different rows.
3. The Eclipse is "always on bottom", so you can take an Eclipse and a regular advancement together in either order, and the end result is that you get the regular advancement and the bonus footer only.

Still not 100% sure about (2). (3) is explained weirdly to me. It was a lot of words just to say that the footer persists, but the body is always overwritten when it collides with a standard advancement. Or in other words, the Eclipse advancement is a "Background" layer, which works fine with "foreground" advancements, but can't combine with other "backgrounds".

Anyway, I guess the footer is supposed to synergize with the rest of the card that you build, and the body of an Eclipse is "written in chalk" and usually weak and something you'd rather replace eventually.