Dear Dlsite...

[Bombyxさん]

Please refrain from repeating the whole " Uncensored patch only available on dlsite" bull you gave us with "MONMUSU * FIGHT!" and some other games you've released here on steam.

Cause ,otherwise, people won't buy this, you have no excuses anymore, steam now accept +18 content, so just sell here the full uncensored games.

If you're still doing this because you're still afraid of steam, then just make people pay the full asking price here and offer a 18+ patch FREE on your website/ an official external one.

If people wanted to buy stuff on Dlsite they would just do that, not everybody likes to use their credit card for these kind of things, some people prefer to use alternative methods of payment, like Paypal ( it's safer) and therefore, they won't ever buy stuff on your website's store.

So, either you stick on Dlsite and stop releasing stuff on steam ( wouldn't really be a really smart move), or you give people alternatives like, adding a way to pay with paypal on your website , releasing fully uncensored games on steam ( like every good company is doing now) or sharing uncensored external patches for free on some external official website.

Because releasing fully censored eroge games here and making people pay a bonus for uncensored patches only on your website it's completely and utterly pointless.


Thank you

[DLsite Official]

Thank you for your valuable opinion.
We understand the your concerns and have already taken actions to appease our customers. Nonetheless, we will certainly take your feedback into consideration in an attempt to try and improve our services further.

[Bombyxさん]

Originally posted by DLsite Official:

Thank you for your valuable opinion.
We understand the your concerns and have already taken actions to appease our customers. Nonetheless, we will certainly take your feedback into consideration in an attempt to try and improve our services further.

If you please, thank you.

[Pomf666]

Originally posted by DLsite Official:

Thank you for your valuable opinion.
We understand the your concerns and have already taken actions to appease our customers. Nonetheless, we will certainly take your feedback into consideration in an attempt to try and improve our services further.

I own more than 2400+ Steam games, and can buy as many games as I want, but I agree with the OP, one major factor that decides if I buy a game or not is if they censor the game on Steam or not. So if at all possible, please do not censor your games for Steam.

I also hope that DLSite, will bring many more your games to Steam as I am sure you will greatly increase your sales with Steam's large customer base, and also especially now that Steam allows Adult Only content.

あとは英語版がなくて、段々ゲームを出品してお願いしたいのです。自分はアメリカ人ですけども、日本語でも出来ます。それに日本人のスチームユーザーも段々増加しているのです。

一つの注意をお進みして頂きたい、ロリ系のエロゲームコンテンツはスチームに対してダメみたいです。そういう場合はDLSiteにパッチに用意すれば良いだと思います。

自分のわがままなお願いとロリ系に対して米欧のバカな考え方を許してください。

[DLsite Official]

>> Pomf
One of the main factors that is necessary for us to bring a game to Steam, is whether the game can run without error in an English Windows environment.

Many Japanese indie games are created without taking this factor into consideration and due to the nature of their design, these games will often require the Windows system locale to be set to Japanese to operate.

Please note that such games will not pass Steam's review process and as such, whether a game can come to Steam or not relies heavily on the developer's programming prowess.

スチームパブリシャーとしてのDLsiteは現在海外ユーザー向けなサービスであり、英語圏と中国圏のお客様のため尽力を尽くしています。そのため、今現在、日本語版のみの作品をスチームでリリースする予定はありません。

多種多様の文化・価値観を持つお客様の目に触れることを想定し、海外向けにリリースされる作品を一段と厳しく審査させて頂いております。いわゆるロリコンテンツにつきましても同様で、波を立てるような作品などのローカライズを控えております。


>> Lvl 10 Torchic
There's method in our madness.
You can find further details regarding the different versions of this game on the official DLsite English twitter. @DLsiteEnglish

[Bombyxさん]

Originally posted by Redonia:

Wow people. So entitled. This is why many Japanese hentai animation studios won't even bother bringing their titles here 'Uncensored' anymore. So many angry idots. Bad enough they all fear "piracy" which in all honesty doesnm't really affect sales since those ( like me ) who will buy hentai released uncensored here will buy them.

And those "who won't" like people above crying over having to download patches to get games ( uncensored but pixelated, as is the laws in some places ) - Further nerd raging and scaring off smaller developers or showing bigger studios be it, anime/hentai/hentai or anime styled games companies to question, "Why bother..?"

And people like me. Who don't live in those countries, that DO want to buy them and get them easily, legally ( not bothered by "censorship" the pixels is what I mean. ) - Are basically back-handed into oblivion and punished because of angry cry babies who only make them think we're all so whiney.

Sheesh. As much as I'd love pixey-soft to bring their titles over uncensored to buy on DVD/Blue-Ray... ( Certainly been waiting since 2006 for some of their best titles... ) - Nope. Here we are. nothing. And its people like them, that make them give up on the west. Despite there's plenty of people like me again, who would purchase no problem.

And as for this game, DLsite games coming here.

Thanks to crying, trolling imbeciles. More than likely they will eventually pull out or give up on selling here. And I can't blame them. Because those of us, who do care and will buy. Despite any minor annoyances. Are not the loudest, obnoxious group of whiners.

Once again. Proving stupid people, ruin amazing things. No matter the content or genre.

Thanks.

You know, there's a way to express your opinion whitout having to be/look like a complete tool and feel completely abrasive, what? do you think insulting/calling people names it's gonna make your argument look more valid? think again.


Even if i agree on the fact Lvl 10 Torchic@ was a bit lazy and just asked for too much, and the free external patch is a complete reasonable solution ( that's actually what i've suggested myself in this post) i do not agree on the way you decided to present your opinion, there was no need to start insulting or calling people names.

We're not on tumblr, we're here to share opinions/suggestions and discuss about these things peacefully and in a civilized manner.

There's no need to insult people and call them names just cause they have a opinion different than yours, in this way instead of validating your point of view you just ended up looking like a complete tool.



All that said, as a customer you have all the rights to fell " entitled" to enjoy a pleasant experience.

Pretending people tol buy their fully censored product here and then offering a paid patch on their main domain it's ludicrous and completely unreasonable.

There are multiple reasons of why people search for eroge games here on steam, for example, you can pay with paypal here, some people just don't wanna use their credit card to complete a purchase for many reasons so they won't ever buy anything on dlsite to begin with, also eroge games on steam tend to also get more love/ content here, for example, by adding things like achievements, cards, backgrounds and badges, steam also gives people a better way to leave reviews, screenshots and even create communities around games, on steam you can also release mosaicless art, many eroge games made in japan have already done this here on steam, and those kind of things you simply can't get on dlsite( for obvious reasons, you mentioned yourself).


One final point i feel i need to make, if you really want to sell a product on the west or generally speaking, somewhere else, you need to adapt to that place's different rules and customs, you have to bother to listen to feedback/people and mold your release for that place accordingly, it's literally your job as a company, it's pointless to defend them and call your fellow customers "entitled", they're not making charity here, they're a company that's trying to expand their market aand make more money.

As a customer you completely have the right to demand for a product to adapt to that place's needs/demands.

And people have all the rights to ask and discuss these kind of things, for example, if i ( and other people aswell) wouldn't have brought up the issue and complained about it, we will still be left into a situation where that "MONMUSU * FIGHT!" shtshow would have just repeated itself.


You need to tell this things, you need to make companies understand these things and voice your needs/opinions.

This is a thing that both us as customers and companies need to do/understand , if people stopped complaining and just accepted every bullhit the quality would definitely end up taking a dramatic dive ( if you don't complain/report about stuff that's messed up they will just keep doing less and less just because "they can" and they think people would buy their games anyway just because there's prn in it) and, as we all know, eroge games needs more effort to be put into them, people want eroge games to be also to be also fun and enjoyable in other ways other than H-content itself, people don't want only h-content in a game, people want to also have fun and then enjoy all the lewd content.

Making an eroge game is no excuse to delivering a subpar product, eroge games need to improve to actually become fun games that can be enjoyed both ways.


Proof of this need you can easily find in most American triple A companies, EA, Activision, Ubisoft ( etc) these are all companies that keep living despite the enormous level of low effort/negligence and scummy practices just because alot of people accepted and keep accepting their bull, as a result of this, all the product they now get out on the market are inferior bug filled lootbooxes and microtransactions ridden messes.

And why? because instead of demanding quality, by giving feedback/complaining people just learned to bend over and these companies and let them go to town.

As a customer it's important for you to demand passion, quality and to give help in form of feedback to companies.

if you start defending this kind of behaviourit left and right that's just what you're going to get in your hands in the end, a pile of useless, subpar steaming Sit.


I don't know if that's your thing, but if i'm going to spend money into something ( your product), i demand ( and i have all the rights to do so as customers) quality and passion.

That's what both people, and companies need to understand.

it's in their interests to deliver a good product to us, and at the same time, it's a necessity for people to demand quality, or else you end up getting companies like, for example, Blizzard, a great company that has made amazing games since it has been founded, ruining itself by releasing crappy ios games using crappy reused chinese game's assets.


You need to demand quality and then vote with your wallets if they fail to deliver said quality, so people/industry can set a standard.

By apologizing these kinds of behaviours you just keep lowering the bar to the ground.
dive entire companies to the ground( if you keep making c-rap, no one is going to buy your game)


If you want to appeal to a wester market you have to stop doing :rotsigning :Machine translations and you HAVE to give people uncensored patches, that's not being entitled and it's the normal industry's standard.

if you're going to increase the price a bit because you have to pay legit translators we don't care. you just need to do it.


There's literally no point of selling a machine translated censored eroge game, as there's no reason to sell a separate patch on your website.

You won't make enough money, cause you have to give out the game basically on the store for free and people won't be happy anyway and will just stop buying your games alltogheter.

On the other hand, keep selling uncensored ( or patchable +18) games here on steam, don't cut content and give us legit english translations and you will have no problem here anymore you will expand your market and make even more money.



Any other " normal game" in the world has already instilled in itself the need to localize their game in other countries, because that makes them more money, eroges are no different, they have the same need to adapt in order to sell and make more money.

People won't stand for censored/machine translated garb, and i think, at this point, we all know that.

[Andrew R]

There are only two reviews so this game is not exploding for whatever reason...

[DLsite Official]

We can accept constructive criticism, so there is no need for this thread to become inflammatory. Each to their own. Everyone has an opinion and that, that is absolutely fine.

As a company located in Japan there are, of course, things that we can and cannot do.
(Just as there are works we have that can and cannot be released on Steam / in the USA.)
That being said, we will not give up trying to expand our market.

As long as developers are creating (supply) and customers are purchasing (demand) we will continue to stay afloat in the adding "plus alpha" arena (English / Chinese translations).

Originally posted by Lvl 10 Torchic:

@DLsite Official
I understand the business reasons for this. An All Ages version means more potential sales.

You are indeed correct that an All Ages version means more publicity / visibility = potential sales.

There is also another similarly related reason.
People in China are blocked from viewing adult content on Steam and this game (as with many of the game's we release on Steam) is translated into Simplified Chinese. Thus, we would like that demographic to be capable of viewing and purchasing the game.

If possible, we would like to release both the All Age & Adult Only versions on Steam. (However, whether Steam will allow multiple versions of the same game with different language options under different app IDs... Well, that is another can of worms which needs further investigation.)

[DLsite Official]

Indeed. That does sound like a practical possibility for unaffected regions.
We will look into how region restrictions work and see if it can be implemented without the main game being blocked by China regardless. Thanks for the advice!

[Bombyxさん]

Originally posted by DLsite Official:

We can accept constructive criticism, so there is no need for this thread to become inflammatory. Each to their own. Everyone has an opinion and that, that is absolutely fine.

As a company located in Japan there are, of course, things that we can and cannot do.
(Just as there are works we have that can and cannot be released on Steam / in the USA.)
That being said, we will not give up trying to expand our market.

As long as developers are creating (supply) and customers are purchasing (demand) we will continue to stay afloat in the adding "plus alpha" arena (English / Chinese translations).

That's basically what i was trying to say, also there is no reason to get angry and call people names just cause you have a different opinion from another person. ( i was referring to Redonia@ which insulted and called @Lvl 10 Torchic names).

[Bombyxさん]

Originally posted by Synthetic:

Originally posted by DLsite Official:

We can accept constructive criticism, so there is no need for this thread to become inflammatory. Each to their own. Everyone has an opinion and that, that is absolutely fine.

As a company located in Japan there are, of course, things that we can and cannot do.
(Just as there are works we have that can and cannot be released on Steam / in the USA.)
That being said, we will not give up trying to expand our market.

As long as developers are creating (supply) and customers are purchasing (demand) we will continue to stay afloat in the adding "plus alpha" arena (English / Chinese translations).


You are indeed correct that an All Ages version means more publicity / visibility = potential sales.

There is also another similarly related reason.
People in China are blocked from viewing adult content on Steam and this game (as with many of the game's we release on Steam) is translated into Simplified Chinese. Thus, we would like that demographic to be capable of viewing and purchasing the game.

If possible, we would like to release both the All Age & Adult Only versions on Steam. (However, whether Steam will allow multiple versions of the same game with different language options under different app IDs... Well, that is another can of worms which needs further investigation.)

While not different store fronts, dont other devs do something simular by releasing an all-ages/censored version then creating age-gated and region lock dlc for those unaffected, so people from all regions can still buy the game, those unaffected can still get the patch via steam, and those affected can still use the offsite patch. that seems like the best option for all as I'm in a simular boat of not wanting to deal with offsite patches anymore for multiple reasons.

Good, because blocking content just to be able to sell to china it's pretty bad.

Originally posted by DLsite Official:

Indeed. That does sound like a practical possibility for unaffected regions.
We will look into how region restrictions work and see if it can be implemented without the main game being blocked by China regardless. Thanks for the advice!

Thank you.

[Bombyxさん]

Originally posted by Andrew:

There are only two reviews so this game is not exploding for whatever reason...

That usually happens when the game isn't tagged as sexual content ( as dlsite explained, they decided to keep it that way to sell in china) , which means, people will think this is just a pricy censored platformer and skip buying this alltogheter, also they're not advertizing the game on steam, Japanese devs don't usually have the habit to contact/ send games to curators here on steam to review, ( i'm a curator myself, i'm accustomed to this, the only instances where japanese eroge games get sent to a curator it's if they have been localized by translators, look Meltys quest, Fallen Makina,Yukino etc.. ) , which means, the game it's less likely to get some visibility, and it just piles up under all the others.

[kraid]

A solution to the issue of having more countries able to see this game AND us customers not having to go offsite for a patch is to simply make a region gated 18+ DLC patch here on Steam. I too will no longer purchase games that require me go offsite to download an 18+ patch now that Steam allows that content on their store.

[ElJag]

Originally posted by kraid:

A solution to the issue of having more countries able to see this game AND us customers not having to go offsite for a patch is to simply make a region gated 18+ DLC patch here on Steam. I too will no longer purchase games that require me go offsite to download an 18+ patch now that Steam allows that content on their store.

I agree.

[bobeagle77]

I agree with Op. Free adult patches on steam are very much appreciated.

[pizzaboner69]

Yes! Plus Steam accepts local debit cards/payment options over here which DLsite or any other games store does not.

If you guys do bring over that stuff over on Steam I'm sure a lot of people in certain markets are far more likely to purchase those games! Good going guys and good luck ^^