Post-100 question - Is this sign legitimately unreachable?

[Remin]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1763956913

Can't for the life of me find a way to reach it. Do you actually need to cheat to get to this particular sign? I really can't think of any other possibilities. I've tried avoiding touching anything in the previous room, but that didn't change anything. Tried the opposite as well; touching everything (though one thing seems to be as impossibly unreachable as this sign). I've even tried bringing the princess there, but she was dead silent the entire time. Changing palettes didn't seem to do anything either (which was expected, but tried them all just to be sure).

So… has anyone ever reached that sign? Or does the game need to be cheated somehow?

[Axl]

wait... what? is it possible to avoid touching any button in the previous room?!!
i tried many times even with speed hack and the button on the wall above the fence gets pushed every time...

[Remin]

You can just barely, barely touch the edge of that one ledge to safely avoid touching the button. Unless you mean the one on the ceiling, in which case you just walk off the ledge and then jump.

[Axl]

Originally posted by Remin:

You can just barely, barely touch the edge of that one ledge to safely avoid touching the button. Unless you mean the one on the ceiling, in which case you just walk off the ledge and then jump.

Thank you but I mean this button:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1764422650
Do you think I can reach the sign without touching this button?

[Remin]

Hmm I think so? I don't think wall buttons have THAT wide of a hitbox do they? I'd have to start the game up again to make sure, but I'd think it's possible haha

[Axl]

Hmmmm I'm thinking, is it possible to sacrifice the princess and the sword and the claw after you made your way all alone to the second chicken, then go back and jump through the map all over again in order to reach THAT SIGN with only a chinken in hand so Lonk can jump higher to reach it? (But can I avoid sacrificing the princess trigger an ending?)

I'll try this tomorrow, it's late today.

[Proccxys]

It is definitely possible to not hit any buttons, I did it after resetting two times because I thought there was no other way to reach the end of the room. But even if you get through the gate without touching any buttons you cannot jump high enough to reach the platform at the end of the room. At least not with the items I had... It really might be possible to go there with less items haven't thought about it too much yet...

[Proccxys]

Okay I did it again but it doesn't seem to open new possibilities.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1764704870

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1764700288

It is really really tight to try going through this gap but the top route is definitely the way to go if you want to reach the end of the room with 3 items.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1764694423

Like Axl said, there might be a possibilty to get there with less items though I can't find a way to reach the top of the challenge rooms without the hook and sword...

[Salestax1]

So, I've beaten the game (in a previous version). Where is that area?

[Proccxys]

@salestax there are a few doors that will be open once you got all 100 endings. One of them leads you to this area

[ToMacco]

@proccxys i found 2 doors (the one in the waterfall and the dark tower) where are more? and how i pass the perseverance chamber in the dark tower???

[Remin]

The problem is that even a single item ruins your 3 block jump height, and without that height, or heck, even WITH it, there are only 4 block jumps (for "out of bounds" parts) at the lowest in that area… You'd need to somehow get the chicken on top of the very beginning of the area, which is a 3 block jump. But you can't get there without the chicken. So, impossible in other words…

I just tried for a while to see if I could glitch into the area, but so far no luck…

But yeah, in the end, the only reason for fewer items for that area that I can think of is to press that one out-of-reach button, which probably doesn't do anything different from the others. But I can't think of any way to climb the tower without the sword and claw. Even if you could get a ton of minions and pile them up, which might not be TOO hard until you try to create a tall enough minion tower on the 2 block ledge entrance, there's the problem of the third floor being a one-time trip… There's no way to reset floating platforms once you touch them. And you need to be able to get up there once first due to bushes. It MIGHT be possible to go through that room twice though… But only if you were somehow able to reach the right-most platform without touching the first two (which should be possible if you use the minion's sword by jumping off of it in mid-air like a ninja, which is usually how I get through the first floor now after figuring that trick out). At which point you'd alternate touching the top platforms (by standing on one, letting it fall, then jumping two platforms over) so that you'd be able to make a second trip without items once the groundwork is by some miracle laid (I think the top platforms are only 3 blocks above the 2nd platform). I can't think of any other "normal" way to go about it.

All of that, just to press a button that likely does nothing. "Likely" being the key word. But I really don't think they expect anyone to get through the tower in such a weird way… If it's not that one last button, then there's either a secret way to reach the sign, or a glitching/cheating way.

Originally posted by Tomacco:

@proccxys i found 2 doors (the one in the waterfall and the dark tower) where are more? and how i pass the perseverance chamber in the dark tower???

Ship has one too. Can't remember if there were others. Also you basically need pixel-perfect timing to make the jumps in that part of the tower. Just keep trying and you'll persevere eventually.

[Axl]

Originally posted by Remin:

The problem is that even a single item ruins your 3 block jump height, and without that height, or heck, even WITH it, there are only 4 block jumps (for "out of bounds" parts) at the lowest in that area… You'd need to somehow get the chicken on top of the very beginning of the area, which is a 3 block jump. But you can't get there without the chicken. So, impossible in other words…

I just tried for a while to see if I could glitch into the area, but so far no luck…

But yeah, in the end, the only reason for fewer items for that area that I can think of is to press that one out-of-reach button, which probably doesn't do anything different from the others. But I can't think of any way to climb the tower without the sword and claw. Even if you could get a ton of minions and pile them up, which might not be TOO hard until you try to create a tall enough minion tower on the 2 block ledge entrance, there's the problem of the third floor being a one-time trip… There's no way to reset floating platforms once you touch them. And you need to be able to get up there once first due to bushes. It MIGHT be possible to go through that room twice though… But only if you were somehow able to reach the right-most platform without touching the first two (which should be possible if you use the minion's sword by jumping off of it in mid-air like a ninja, which is usually how I get through the first floor now after figuring that trick out). At which point you'd alternate touching the top platforms (by standing on one, letting it fall, then jumping two platforms over) so that you'd be able to make a second trip without items once the groundwork is by some miracle laid (I think the top platforms are only 3 blocks above the 2nd platform). I can't think of any other "normal" way to go about it.

All of that, just to press a button that likely does nothing. "Likely" being the key word. But I really don't think they expect anyone to get through the tower in such a weird way… If it's not that one last button, then there's either a secret way to reach the sign, or a glitching/cheating way.

Originally posted by Tomacco:

@proccxys i found 2 doors (the one in the waterfall and the dark tower) where are more? and how i pass the perseverance chamber in the dark tower???

Ship has one too. Can't remember if there were others. Also you basically need pixel-perfect timing to make the jumps in that part of the tower. Just keep trying and you'll persevere eventually.

Oh yes, I forgot that the floating platform is a one-way trip... Thank you for point this out!

[Axl]

Originally posted by Proccxys:

Okay I did it again but it doesn't seem to open new possibilities.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1764704870

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1764700288

It is really really tight to try going through this gap but the top route is definitely the way to go if you want to reach the end of the room with 3 items.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1764694423

Like Axl said, there might be a possibilty to get there with less items though I can't find a way to reach the top of the challenge rooms without the hook and sword...

Great! Thanks for your sharing!

[Remin]

Originally posted by Axl:

Oh yes, I forgot that the floating platform is a one-way trip... Thank you for point this out!

As mentioned though, I think it'd be possible to go through twice if done right. It'd just need a lot of luck and time, particularly when trying to set up a way in without items XD And your first run also has to make sure to get a minion sword up on the little ledge on the right of the platform room to try to jump off of onto the right-most platform (and then skipping the top platform in a checkerboard fashion… or well, I guess you'd really only need to leave one platform up, no need to make a checkerboard out of the whole thing)…

In short, I think it's theoretically possible to go through the tower twice, it'd just be extremely tough and time consuming to set everything up haha (mainly the setup on top of the big weight! they'd have to stack just right on such a narrow space… I think it'd need 3 stacked too? I actually wonder if that much stacking can be done in the open, and from a 5ish block drop no less… can't help the minions stay up against the wall as they fall either because of the claw, which is one of the annoying things about having a single button for both attack and item use).

[Axl]

Originally posted by Remin:

Originally posted by Axl:

Oh yes, I forgot that the floating platform is a one-way trip... Thank you for point this out!

As mentioned though, I think it'd be possible to go through twice if done right. It'd just need a lot of luck and time, particularly when trying to set up a way in without items XD And your first run also has to make sure to get a minion sword up on the little ledge on the right of the platform room to try to jump off of onto the right-most platform (and then skipping the top platform in a checkerboard fashion… or well, I guess you'd really only need to leave one platform up, no need to make a checkerboard out of the whole thing)…

In short, I think it's theoretically possible to go through the tower twice, it'd just be extremely tough and time consuming to set everything up haha (mainly the setup on top of the big weight! they'd have to stack just right on such a narrow space… I think it'd need 3 stacked too? I actually wonder if that much stacking can be done in the open, and from a 5ish block drop no less… can't help the minions stay up against the wall as they fall either because of the claw, which is one of the annoying things about having a single button for both attack and item use).

I tried several times, and here's what I found:

1. If you don't take princess, you can't enter the "dark abyss". It seems the only way to open the hidden door before the abyss is the earthquake when taking the princess. (I managed to jump off the castle only with sword, claw and chicken, then I find that I can't enter the dark abyss... I'm blocked by a hidden door at the place where requires a jump to pass while having princess in hand.)

2. You can't sacrifice the princess after taking her because this leads you directly to an ending.

3. Sword and claw are needed to reach the second chicken (the top of that tower), and because you're carrying the princess while climbing the tower, you can't sacrifice any of them after you reached the top, nor can you climb up again once you have reached the top.

4. You can't carry more than 3 items otherwise you won't be able to jump high enough to pass the tower. (Sorry princess I don't mean you're an item or something like that.)

Therefore, I think in this route, the build can't be changed. You must carry sword, claw, princess and chicken in order to reach the very edge of the desert.

I'm looking for cheating ways to reach the sign, but I'm not very good at it. If anyone have made it, please help.