DX12 patch: Unmitigated disaster

[Zenofir]

Somehow there is no longer a night time in Elex II because they didn't notice, or thought it was just fine, to leave in some bug that makes the game as bright at "night" as it is during the day. The load times went from fine to absurdly, intolerably long, at least on my system. The game is far uglier in DX12 compared to DX11, they seem to have broken various image-quality enhancing features, which is probably the only reason DX12 performance is better. It's not even clear if they changed anything from the beta after having it in that state for over half a year. All this after we were told the wrong patch went out and that today they sent out the right one with all the fixes, but very little seems any different, if anything is different at all. There is also no in-game option to switch from DX12 to DX11 even though they left the DX11 files in the installation folder so the game size is double what it's supposed to be. I don't understand how it's possible to botch a game update this horribly.

[BimboGooch]

Wait so did they fix it? Cuz I dont have the night issue at all. Its pretty damn dark.

Also ithink the moon is big so its pretty realistic for nights to be bright if it isnt cloudy. Although I imagine its too bright for some.

[BimboGooch]

Originally posted by Scythifuge:

Originally posted by BimboGooch:

Companies are not more incompetent. Its the user base that causes this. Why would a company sell a finished game, when they sell millions of copies no matter what? Thats the buyers fault they cause it. Its supply and demand. Sure you can be a good guy, but most business people who are rich are not trying to be a good guy, Like everything "wrong" with gaming these days is at the end of the day the buyers fault. The companies make millions due to the people buying their ♥♥♥♥. The people complaining about lootboxes, well they buy those loot boxes in the first place thus not helping lol.

Nor are most games adding real world political stuff to games (if thats what you mean?) Most people ive noticed complaining that a game is pushing an agenda, theyre actually the ones trying to push something> its just theyre not comfy with that particular topic. There are some games trying to "push an agenda" but most are not. Same with movies.

This stuff happened in every year possible though. No matter the gaming year theres always going to be those few games trying to be "woke" or what ever is popular during that time.

I agree with you about the end user being at fault for a lot of things. I bought Elex II early in order to support PB (based on enjoyment of past games and understanding the Gothic 3 situation) and to save 5 bucks, and I learned my lesson and will never pre-order another game. The only other game I ever pre-ordered before Elex II was Castlevania - Symphony of the Night for the PS4, but that is just an emulated PS1 game (and hard to screw up.)

As far as agendas and everything else, if I play old games and compare them to new games, outside of the difference in game engines and presentation, there is a major difference in quality, realism, and sanity.

Old games that i feel like youre taling about never where realistic kek. Nor super quality most the best games i love from back in the day still to this day have dumb ass bugs and exploits. BUt they at least worked on launch cuz well they had to as you couldnt update a game

Plus games back then where far easier to make then now. And well for story and presentation. bakc in the day games hardly had good stories it was more about gameplay, then eventually companies realized people enjoy story driven games. I know there where old story driven games, but most where for gameplay as thats what the people wanted was gameplay first story 2nd. After all games back in the day where expensive AF. IE nintendo 64 games where I think 50 to 70 usd BACK THEN. so nearly 100 usd now.

But ye games are far more complex to make now, take longer ect. Doesnt excuse broken ass launches thats just the players fault for letting companies walk all over them. But stories now days are generally over all better presented. Back in the day it was mostly just people talking. Not really any actual stuff going on, besides what theyre saying in the convo. Like morrowind, great story and writing poor presentation as well there wasnt any it was always two dudes/females talking and reading an essay of text because they couldnt have much action shown so they had to describe stuff in far more detail.

Again I know not all games where like that but most where. I dont think actual story games started getting popular till around the time metal gear solid launched Then they got pretty popular, liek CRPG games and rpg games where not all that popular back in the day. They where pretty niche.

Also many many games have good everything. Theyre just ussually not AAA games. Generally sony makes really good games, like their playstation only big blockbuster games are always very polished and very well block buster like, amazing presentation great gameplay. For most of their big games that is.

BUt even the most innocent of games has people saying "theyre pushing an agenda" with gaming its always something. Either "the game is racist cuz its hysterically accurate to the time period and location so theres is hardly any black people or people of color in general" then when you add a black person or gay or trans person its "theyre pushing an agenda HAM FISTED DOWN MY THROAT" when thats almost never the case. As the devs never said anything about it nor does the writing prove it.And its almost always white people doing this lul. Im white my self and dont care what people say in terms of freedom of speech. Im not goign to get offended by any word. I always find it funny reading comments like that. In most games, i know there are some. Ive just never played them. And I think I know in general what you mean by most of what you said, just not the politically charged part.

But idk if you want better quality games that are new, stick with indi games. Most hte time they ahve to release well other wise they just fail. So kinda like the old days. Only games releasing like ♥♥♥♥ are AAA games cuz no matter what people buy them, and cash grab games.

Anyways at the end of the day idrc kek. Not my place to tell people what they should and shouldnt think since at the end of the day its opinions and theories.

[BimboGooch]

Originally posted by Scythifuge:

Originally posted by BimboGooch:

Companies are not more incompetent. Its the user base that causes this. Why would a company sell a finished game, when they sell millions of copies no matter what? Thats the buyers fault they cause it. Its supply and demand. Sure you can be a good guy, but most business people who are rich are not trying to be a good guy, Like everything "wrong" with gaming these days is at the end of the day the buyers fault. The companies make millions due to the people buying their ♥♥♥♥. The people complaining about lootboxes, well they buy those loot boxes in the first place thus not helping lol.

Nor are most games adding real world political stuff to games (if thats what you mean?) Most people ive noticed complaining that a game is pushing an agenda, theyre actually the ones trying to push something> its just theyre not comfy with that particular topic. There are some games trying to "push an agenda" but most are not. Same with movies.

This stuff happened in every year possible though. No matter the gaming year theres always going to be those few games trying to be "woke" or what ever is popular during that time.

I agree with you about the end user being at fault for a lot of things. I bought Elex II early in order to support PB (based on enjoyment of past games and understanding the Gothic 3 situation) and to save 5 bucks, and I learned my lesson and will never pre-order another game. The only other game I ever pre-ordered before Elex II was Castlevania - Symphony of the Night for the PS4, but that is just an emulated PS1 game (and hard to screw up.)

As far as agendas and everything else, if I play old games and compare them to new games, outside of the difference in game engines and presentation, there is a major difference in quality, realism, and sanity.

Also, I do pre order games, but always the day of or if I get 2 days early access cuz I know im getting it no matter what. I never pre order months ahead though. Its always the day of when I know im getting it. Its fine to pre oder like that, but it is not fine to pre order months ahead before you even see trailers lmao. Idk what people do that.

[Zoopy]

Originally posted by Scythifuge:

As far as agendas and everything else, if I play old games and compare them to new games, outside of the difference in game engines and presentation, there is a major difference in quality, realism, and sanity.

That depends on what you consider "quality, realism and sanity". When I look at newer games many of them are much better when it comes to things like inclusivity and diversity. Very few games that people accuse of "pushing agendas" actually "push agendas". Usually "pushing an agenda" is just code for "this game contains minorities and I don't like that."

[BimboGooch]

Originally posted by Zoopy:

Originally posted by Scythifuge:

As far as agendas and everything else, if I play old games and compare them to new games, outside of the difference in game engines and presentation, there is a major difference in quality, realism, and sanity.

That depends on what you consider "quality, realism and sanity". When I look at newer games many of them are much better when it comes to things like inclusivity and diversity. Very few games that people accuse of "pushing agendas" actually "push agendas". Usually "pushing an agenda" is just code for "this game contains minorities and I don't like that."

The people saying that are the only ones pushing anything kek so its ironic, some times they are pushing an agenda but usually it isnt AAA games doing that. Which surprises me a lot tbh

[jerrypocalypse]

Originally posted by Zoopy:

Originally posted by Scythifuge:

As far as agendas and everything else, if I play old games and compare them to new games, outside of the difference in game engines and presentation, there is a major difference in quality, realism, and sanity.

That depends on what you consider "quality, realism and sanity". When I look at newer games many of them are much better when it comes to things like inclusivity and diversity. Very few games that people accuse of "pushing agendas" actually "push agendas". Usually "pushing an agenda" is just code for "this game contains minorities and I don't like that."

Agreed

[coldcrow]

For whomever is interested: with SpecialKs driver "black magic" boost setting, you can squeeze another 3-5 fps out of the horrible engine.
"Fix worlds worst filecode" (special for PB) setting has no noticable effect for me, may help on HDDs.

[Zyrconia]

Originally posted by Scythifuge:

Originally posted by coldcrow:

For whomever is interested: with SpecialKs driver "black magic" boost setting, you can squeeze another 3-5 fps out of the horrible engine.
"Fix worlds worst filecode" (special for PB) setting has no noticable effect for me, may help on HDDs.

I need a fix for the bright nights and the whiteouts in the snow regions before I can play this game.

I'm not making excuses for PB: the DX11 should perform better that it does based on its looks, it should also perform well in cities and the DX12 should work. Period.

But, I'm 100% sure you can get the DX11 version working if you got a reasonable PC capable of running modern games. You'll just have half you FPS in busy cities, but that is relatively easy to tolerate since in cities you do the talking and in the wilderness you do the fighting. There is just a couple of fights in the cities.

So just play the DX11 version, which works fine and is not broken like the DX12 one. You can probably finish every PB game before we get a better DX12 version, if ever....

[Branded Swordsman 𒉭]

Kinda pathetic you gotta have a 3090 or a 40 series card to enjoy the game. I have a friend who is using a 4090 and said he still gets the occasional stutter.

[Zyrconia]

Yeah, what Scythifuge has goes beyond the performance issues Elex 2 has. They are so bad that I doubt that DX12 will help. Try reinstalling/verifying the game cache. That helped me in other games, like Kingdom Come.

I only have a full HD monitor but it is 144 Hz and I have a 2070 Super. Needless to say, Full HD at 144 is roughly as hard to drive as as 4K at 60, so my 2070 Super is not a 4K/144 FPS GPU. But it is a solid 80-120 FPS GPU, depending on the age of the game and Elex 2 is no exception, it works just fine, 70+ FPS, except in the cities, where I can go bellow 40.

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

Originally posted by BimboGooch:

I also saw something saying it costed 16 million. And one other thing tha tthey got 150k from the government but it was 9% of the whole budget.

That's just rumors and poor math skills in those budget calculations in old topics.

I've corrected that before in posts, linking the documents and news coverage about the funding from the Creative Europe MEDIA program in 2016.

Some guys have made up some numbers. Keep in mind that if 150k are a roughly estimated 9% of the total budget, it is not 15 million or 16 million, but 10 times 150k. And that would mean less than a year of development, since around that time Piranha Bytes mentioned somewhere 150k would be barely enough to pay their staff for one month. Then, if considering development overlap of ELEX, ELEX II and ELEX III, it still takes more than a year to finish each of the games, but 4-5 years still would not be 15-16 million in total. Not with payment of outsourcing studios either.

Originally posted by BimboGooch:

If they do have 30 people making on average 50k a year. I think elex two would have been at least nearly 8 million to make. So hmm maybe 16 million is correct lmao. I know its still not that expensive for a AA or AAA game.

According to news articles they have hired a few guys during development of ELEX II as to grow from 27 to 35 guys.

Originally posted by JC Denton:

Kinda pathetic you gotta have a 3090 or a 40 series card to enjoy the game. I have a friend who is using a 4090 and said he still gets the occasional stutter.

What's "pathetic" is that apparently your friend isn't interested in enjoying the game.

[BimboGooch]

Originally posted by D'amarr from Darshiva:

Originally posted by BimboGooch:

I also saw something saying it costed 16 million. And one other thing tha tthey got 150k from the government but it was 9% of the whole budget.

That's just rumors and poor math skills in those budget calculations in old topics.

I've corrected that before in posts, linking the documents and news coverage about the funding from the Creative Europe MEDIA program in 2016.

Some guys have made up some numbers. Keep in mind that if 150k are a roughly estimated 9% of the total budget, it is not 15 million or 16 million, but 10 times 150k. And that would mean less than a year of development, since around that time Piranha Bytes mentioned somewhere 150k would be barely enough to pay their staff for one month. Then, if considering development overlap of ELEX, ELEX II and ELEX III, it still takes more than a year to finish each of the games, but 4-5 years still would not be 15-16 million in total. Not with payment of outsourcing studios either.

Originally posted by BimboGooch:

If they do have 30 people making on average 50k a year. I think elex two would have been at least nearly 8 million to make. So hmm maybe 16 million is correct lmao. I know its still not that expensive for a AA or AAA game.

According to news articles they have hired a few guys during development of ELEX II as to grow from 27 to 35 guys.

Originally posted by JC Denton:

Kinda pathetic you gotta have a 3090 or a 40 series card to enjoy the game. I have a friend who is using a 4090 and said he still gets the occasional stutter.

What's "pathetic" is that apparently your friend isn't interested in enjoying the game.

yeah thats what I thought, It was confusing. And I know this game didnt cost 15 million, lmao. The only info in my lazy searching i could find on devs is 33 people around september 2021. So yeah likely they have 35 now or so.

[BimboGooch]

Originally posted by JC Denton:

Kinda pathetic you gotta have a 3090 or a 40 series card to enjoy the game. I have a friend who is using a 4090 and said he still gets the occasional stutter.

Thats just a lie. Unless hes gaming at 4k ultra settings. Even then hes prolyl getting ove 60 fps in most cases. If he is over 60 fps and stuttering he can cap the frame rat to under the stuttering drop.

okay, well not a lie, if he cant play under like 4k.

[Branded Swordsman 𒉭]

Originally posted by D'amarr from Darshiva:

Originally posted by BimboGooch:

I also saw something saying it costed 16 million. And one other thing tha tthey got 150k from the government but it was 9% of the whole budget.

That's just rumors and poor math skills in those budget calculations in old topics.

I've corrected that before in posts, linking the documents and news coverage about the funding from the Creative Europe MEDIA program in 2016.

Some guys have made up some numbers. Keep in mind that if 150k are a roughly estimated 9% of the total budget, it is not 15 million or 16 million, but 10 times 150k. And that would mean less than a year of development, since around that time Piranha Bytes mentioned somewhere 150k would be barely enough to pay their staff for one month. Then, if considering development overlap of ELEX, ELEX II and ELEX III, it still takes more than a year to finish each of the games, but 4-5 years still would not be 15-16 million in total. Not with payment of outsourcing studios either.

Originally posted by BimboGooch:

If they do have 30 people making on average 50k a year. I think elex two would have been at least nearly 8 million to make. So hmm maybe 16 million is correct lmao. I know its still not that expensive for a AA or AAA game.

According to news articles they have hired a few guys during development of ELEX II as to grow from 27 to 35 guys.

Originally posted by JC Denton:

Kinda pathetic you gotta have a 3090 or a 40 series card to enjoy the game. I have a friend who is using a 4090 and said he still gets the occasional stutter.

What's "pathetic" is that apparently your friend isn't interested in enjoying the game.

I see you're still mad over me calling you out for your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fanboyism a few months ago, never said he wasn't enjoying the game, but do go on and twist my words even more.

[BimboGooch]

Originally posted by JC Denton:

Originally posted by D'amarr from Darshiva:

That's just rumors and poor math skills in those budget calculations in old topics.

I've corrected that before in posts, linking the documents and news coverage about the funding from the Creative Europe MEDIA program in 2016.

Some guys have made up some numbers. Keep in mind that if 150k are a roughly estimated 9% of the total budget, it is not 15 million or 16 million, but 10 times 150k. And that would mean less than a year of development, since around that time Piranha Bytes mentioned somewhere 150k would be barely enough to pay their staff for one month. Then, if considering development overlap of ELEX, ELEX II and ELEX III, it still takes more than a year to finish each of the games, but 4-5 years still would not be 15-16 million in total. Not with payment of outsourcing studios either.


According to news articles they have hired a few guys during development of ELEX II as to grow from 27 to 35 guys.



What's "pathetic" is that apparently your friend isn't interested in enjoying the game.

I see you're still mad over me calling you out for your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fanboyism a few months ago, never said he wasn't enjoying the game, but do go on and twist my words even more.

It seemed implied since you said "Kinda pathetic you gotta have a 3090 or a 40 series card to enjoy the game." It does make it sound like someone isnt enjoying it. But ye youre right, technically you didnt say they where not enjoying it personally.