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KIPIUŚ Mar 18, 2022 @ 6:56am
Can't romance Caja
So, after I completed several quests with her (keeping affection high) she decided she needs to think it all over again and went to Fort. I am in chapter 4 now, and she still does not want to talk to me. Is it a bug?
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treahnurb Mar 18, 2022 @ 6:58am 
I had her "I need to think about stuff" in chapter 2. After a couple of days, Jax said something like "I should check on Caja and see if she calmed down." and I could talk to her and her next companion quest triggered and so on. Try sleeping a couple of days?
On a side note: why romance her... <_<
grody_antagonic Mar 18, 2022 @ 7:27am 
That's her usual behaviour at some point. Let some days pass and her questline will continue.
Originally posted by treahnurb:
why romance her... <_<
because of the achievement ofc! :albertein:
treahnurb Mar 18, 2022 @ 7:29am 
Originally posted by grody_antagonic:
That's her usual behaviour at some point. Let some days pass and her questline will continue.
Originally posted by treahnurb:
why romance her... <_<
because of the achievement ofc! :albertein:
Ah yes, yes. How could I forget about those. ;)
KIPIUŚ Mar 18, 2022 @ 7:42am 
Well, problem solved. The quest chain unlocked only after I finished the game lol. Achievement unlocked.
hyperion Mar 18, 2022 @ 8:03am 
"she decided she needs to think it all over again"

She's a girl. This is typical girl behavior so it's all good.
treahnurb Mar 18, 2022 @ 8:23am 
Originally posted by hyperion:
"she decided she needs to think it all over again"

She's a girl. This is typical girl behavior so it's all good.
sorry but as a woman, I have to disagree. The way Caja is written is just awful.
KIPIUŚ Mar 18, 2022 @ 8:31am 
Originally posted by treahnurb:
Originally posted by hyperion:
"she decided she needs to think it all over again"

She's a girl. This is typical girl behavior so it's all good.
sorry but as a woman, I have to disagree. The way Caja is written is just awful.

Many things written about this game are awful, especially characters' faces :D
treahnurb Mar 18, 2022 @ 8:33am 
Originally posted by Hatton:
Originally posted by treahnurb:
sorry but as a woman, I have to disagree. The way Caja is written is just awful.

Many things written about this game are awful, especially characters' faces :D

Well that is not a "writing" issue and I wouldn't say that many things are written awful (but I play it on German which is the OG language so it might differ from your experience). However tbh I see a general lack of good written female main characters in games, so I am used to it...
Last edited by treahnurb; Mar 18, 2022 @ 8:33am
waldemar7 Mar 19, 2022 @ 8:15am 
I have to say, as someone who enjoyed most of PB's titles in German I had to switch to English on this one. I feel like the voice acting is overall more consistent in English this time.
Dixon Sider Mar 19, 2022 @ 9:21am 
Women...
Holy Avatar Mar 19, 2022 @ 12:52pm 
Originally posted by treahnurb:
Originally posted by Hatton:

Many things written about this game are awful, especially characters' faces :D

Well that is not a "writing" issue and I wouldn't say that many things are written awful (but I play it on German which is the OG language so it might differ from your experience). However tbh I see a general lack of good written female main characters in games, so I am used to it...

I see no problem with the way Caja acts. I mean I've met a lot of women and just with her cool german voice, she comes across pretty authentic. What are you missing? Super mega depth?
Last edited by Holy Avatar; Mar 19, 2022 @ 12:54pm
treahnurb Mar 19, 2022 @ 1:05pm 
Originally posted by HolyAvatar:
Originally posted by treahnurb:

Well that is not a "writing" issue and I wouldn't say that many things are written awful (but I play it on German which is the OG language so it might differ from your experience). However tbh I see a general lack of good written female main characters in games, so I am used to it...

I see no problem with the way Caja acts. I mean I've met a lot of women and just with her cool german voice, she comes across pretty authentic. What are you missing? Super mega depth?

I see a problem with her that I started to call "the Panam"-problem. Apparently "strong, independent women" need to be ♥♥♥♥♥♥, irritating and frustrating to deal with, shout and yell at you and insult you if you don't agree with them. Apparently being rude and aggressively unpleasant counts as "stronk".
Yes I know that you can point out to Caja eventually how she behaves. Which results in even more insults until she SUDDENLY is like *gasp!* I am behaving totally irrational! Let me ignore my own son and sulk in the fort. Basically doing a 180° turn there just to say a day or two later: ah this is so boring here, get me out of here Jax.
(oh yeah and just the fact that the MAN has to point out to her how irrational she's acting... yeah. Sigh.)

There are some imo good written female characters in games that are actually strong without being totally obnoxious (Liara from Mass Effect franchise comes to mind) but more than not I see "strong female characters" being, well, like Nasty or Caja - or Panam from Cyberpunk.

It highly irritates me and unnerves me.

I hope Nyra is different, I really do.
Last edited by treahnurb; Mar 19, 2022 @ 1:06pm
Holy Avatar Mar 20, 2022 @ 1:44am 
Originally posted by treahnurb:
Originally posted by HolyAvatar:

I see no problem with the way Caja acts. I mean I've met a lot of women and just with her cool german voice, she comes across pretty authentic. What are you missing? Super mega depth?

I see a problem with her that I started to call "the Panam"-problem. Apparently "strong, independent women" need to be ♥♥♥♥♥♥, irritating and frustrating to deal with, shout and yell at you and insult you if you don't agree with them. Apparently being rude and aggressively unpleasant counts as "stronk".
Yes I know that you can point out to Caja eventually how she behaves. Which results in even more insults until she SUDDENLY is like *gasp!* I am behaving totally irrational! Let me ignore my own son and sulk in the fort. Basically doing a 180° turn there just to say a day or two later: ah this is so boring here, get me out of here Jax.
(oh yeah and just the fact that the MAN has to point out to her how irrational she's acting... yeah. Sigh.)

There are some imo good written female characters in games that are actually strong without being totally obnoxious (Liara from Mass Effect franchise comes to mind) but more than not I see "strong female characters" being, well, like Nasty or Caja - or Panam from Cyberpunk.

It highly irritates me and unnerves me.

I hope Nyra is different, I really do.


I'm a storywriter myself for indie RPGS (last game Dead Age 2) and play a lot of women. So I was very interested in the topic. I think what's a problem with the whole romance thing is that the characters can't be too "normal". Because you want to entertain the audience.
I'm sure you're right that there have to be nice, strong women, too. I think Nyra goes in that direction, but Nyra has the problem that she only gets excited about her own themes. This was certainly intentional because of her lack of emotion, but it frustrated me because I always tried to make up for my mistakes , hehe, I think as an Alb, however, you will easily make it.
With Nasty I noticed of course how she is on it and with Caja it was argued that she is harder on it because she now has her leadership position. I find the situations where she was aggressive have been limited to 2-3 moments (but I'm not quite through yet, but have won her love) I must honestly say that my ex-girlfriends were much worse - haha. :)

But good that you say something like that, I will think about it in my work for my next RPG. :)
treahnurb Mar 20, 2022 @ 3:43am 
Waaaait you wrote for Dead Age 2? Cool. I played Dead Age too for a bit. Maybe I should take a look into the second one.
Anyway.
(yay someone is hearing me out)

Originally posted by HolyAvatar:

I'm a storywriter myself for indie RPGS (last game Dead Age 2) and play a lot of women. So I was very interested in the topic. I think what's a problem with the whole romance thing is that the characters can't be too "normal". Because you want to entertain the audience.
I'm sure you're right that there have to be nice, strong women, too. I think Nyra goes in that direction, but Nyra has the problem that she only gets excited about her own themes. This was certainly intentional because of her lack of emotion, but it frustrated me because I always tried to make up for my mistakes , hehe, I think as an Alb, however, you will easily make it.
With Nasty I noticed of course how she is on it and with Caja it was argued that she is harder on it because she now has her leadership position. I find the situations where she was aggressive have been limited to 2-3 moments (but I'm not quite through yet, but have won her love) I must honestly say that my ex-girlfriends were much worse - haha. :)

But good that you say something like that, I will think about it in my work for my next RPG. :)

That being said: why is that a female character, to not be "too normal", has to be, well, like this? Take Falk for example. He's polite, curious and adorable and hilarious, too. And there's a big twist aswell in his quest line. The character doesn't need to insult Jax to be interesting.
My problem with Nasty is also, that even if she's supposed to be literally nasty (which is fine, I guess) why on Earth is she still written in a way that even she seeks Jax' attention? Like: why is the first thing she talks to about Jax, when you meet her, that he slept with Caja? Almost like "wow, you really picked her over me" just to drop this "Don't look at my ass, I know you do it" line later? It comes off as quite pathetic and doesn't fit her already very one-dimensional character not at all. Why would Nasty of all people care? Except if she's secretly into Jax too and jealous? Which doesn't fit her either.
About the leadership position: that is exactly my problem. Badass female leader = unpleasantly aggressive. There are other ways to characterise badass female leader and still make them even somewhat "evil" or "cold." (Liliana in DA:I for eg)
There are also female characters in video games that are more "brute" and certainly not softies, like Cassandra (also DA:I - Bioware actually imo often did a good job with female characters) but at least she doesn't need a man to tell her that she is like that. She knows it. She also knows what she wants, what she is and what she is capable of.
Last edited by treahnurb; Mar 20, 2022 @ 4:00am
LukanGamer Mar 20, 2022 @ 5:07am 
Originally posted by HolyAvatar:
I'm a storywriter myself for indie RPGS (last game Dead Age 2)
:hrx_grover:
I found 1 the worst part for Dead 2 was the romances, especially from a continuation point.
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