The Clerics, faction change an abilitypoints

[Phippo]

So after playing the first time as berserk, i just want to restart. Fire Rain is rediculously overpowered and the game was too borin. I want to play as cleric now. However i wonder, if i first join the albs and switch to clerics at lev20, do i keep the alb abilitys? If no, do i loose all the abilitypoints i spend untill lev20 for any alb spell or are they "given back"?

[Peredur]

When you switch from Albs to Clerics, you keep the skills of the Albs and you can continue going to the Alb trainer.
(Hence why the Clerics skills are so limited.)

BTW, the switch is at lvl 30+, for the second class change.

[Phippo]

ok thx for your help. i always thought its at 20.

[Harris]

Yeah, Fire Rain really makes the game trivial, I see where you're coming from. I just joined Clerics myself, so some things I wanna point out:

1) Clerics are not nearly as fleshed out as Berserkers are. Berserkers experience gives you a lot of decent NPC to interact with, a sense of progression and a sense of achievement. When you make Paladin, everyone in the Fort will comment on that or ask something from you - and it felt very heartwarming and immersive, like I got to feel I "made it" in the community.

You don't get anything like that with the Clerics. Your joining is ever acknowledged by the grand total of 2 (two!) NPC, one of which teaches faction skills and another one sells Regent armor. You would expect Eva or Vivian to somehow comment on that at least - but nope. So don't keep your hopes up.

2) You join minors at level 30 in fact, as the max rank. This is nice, as you can buy the best armor right away, but also not nice - as you don't get even a single lousy quest with a new faction after joining.

3) Technically and story-wise you still stay a part of your previous faction, but you are limited to the 2nd rank there. So you would be Alb Trooper AND Cleric Regent - you would get to learn Cleric skills AND learn Alb skills AND get to keep all the Alb skills you already learned. Works similarly for Berserker faction-hopping to Outlaws. Which means the only thing you'd be missing from your original faction is their best armor.

[Tommy]

Originally posted by Harris:

3) Technically and story-wise you still stay a part of your previous faction, but you are limited to the 2nd rank there. So you would be Alb Trooper AND Cleric Regent - you would get to learn Cleric skills AND learn Alb skills AND get to keep all the Alb skills you already learned. Works similarly for Berserker faction-hopping to Outlaws. Which means the only thing you'd be missing from your original faction is their best armor.

Same for switching from Morkons to Outlaws. Also according to the wiki the best one-handed melee weapons are upgraded Bloodsplatterer (Morkon) and upgraded Warlord Sword (Berserkers). I couldn't find/pickpocket enough to craft the enhanced version of these, when I switched to the Outlaws. So maybe the availablity of them is also locked behind the highest rank of the main factions. But I didn't test this.

[BiałyFeniks]

Clerics as faction are really undeveloped. Only two skills and their changed background is not well explained. So much wasted potential as they literally add nothing to the game. One good thing is very cool armor design (Alb's awful expect for Elexetor one). Besides I really feel game was made for canon Jax as Berserker because during cutscene fight with important NPC Jax uses fireballs (even if he is not Berseker). As Cleric you are still an Alb with all abilities + Cleric skills. You only cannot get best Alb armor. You get Cleric one instead. No other consequences for your choice. There is literally no reason to go pure Alb other than roleplaying.

[Harris]

Originally posted by Tommy:

Also according to the wiki the best one-handed melee weapons are upgraded Bloodsplatterer (Morkon) and upgraded Warlord Sword (Berserkers). I couldn't find/pickpocket enough to craft the enhanced version of these, when I switched to the Outlaws. So maybe the availablity of them is also locked behind the highest rank of the main factions. But I didn't test this.

Yes indeed. You not only get their best armor, but some of the best weapons for purchase. Which practically means that your chances of getting an Enhanced Plasma Cannon Mk2 are pretty thin/nonexistent unless you stick with Albs and become a Commander.

Aside from the best melee weapons, Morkons also get the best shotgun that is better than ever Thunderclap, and their armor is also the best one, along with the Outlaws.

This practically means Morkons are by far a superior choice if you're after min-maxing.

[🎮 PalkoVvodets 🔑]

Originally posted by Harris:

Which practically means that your chances of getting an Enhanced Plasma Cannon Mk2 are pretty thin/nonexistent unless you stick with Albs and become a Commander.

Weapons are random. In my case I had 10-15 Plasma cannons mk2 from only regular Alb/Cleric patroling guards.

Originally posted by Harris:

Morkons also get the best shotgun that is better than ever Thunderclap

In my case most of that best shotgun units I got from Outlaws. Hell of a load. Even low rank npcs weared that shotgun. While from Morkon base I've got nearly 1-2 units. But for melee "captain" stuff I only got 2-3 units from the whole Outlaw base. Same for Morkons (only 1 damaged Bloodsplatterer).

It makes sense to save before first approach to Morkon base with 2 points in thievery and +1 specialization. Quickly check guard inventories and load if you got not enough. But I'm pretty sure it will be extremly hard to randomize all 6 units of Bloodsplatterer.

[Speedy]

Originally posted by BiałyFeniks:

You only cannot get best Alb armor. You get Cleric one instead. No other consequences for your choice. There is literally no reason to go pure Alb other than roleplaying.

Originally posted by Harris:

Yes indeed. You not only get their best armor, but some of the best weapons for purchase. Which practically means that your chances of getting an Enhanced Plasma Cannon Mk2 are pretty thin/nonexistent unless you stick with Albs and become a Commander.

So who's right?

[Harris]

Originally posted by Speedy:

So who's right?

The fact is gear merchants sell not only ranked armor, but also tiered weapons, relevant to the faction.

As Alb Commander, you can buy "normal" version of Plasma Cannon Mk2 as well as a couple damaged ones. This means most likely the only way of obtaining the enhanced version of said weapon is sticking with Albs until the end.

For the purposes of the Albs vs Clerics choice - Albs are actually superior, even if only due to Enhanced version of Albs laser rifle being better to the Clerics one.

Same for the Morkons - you are very unlikely to get Enhanced Leadpreader / Enhanced Bloodsplatterer unless you're Destroyer with them.

If you don't max your rank with them - then your only option is doing what they suggest above and random their guards, hoping for a relevant weapon.

[Speedy]

Originally posted by Harris:

Originally posted by Speedy:

So who's right?

The fact is gear merchants sell not only ranked armor, but also tiered weapons, relevant to the faction.

As Alb Commander, you can buy "normal" version of Plasma Cannon Mk2 as well as a couple damaged ones. This means most likely the only way of obtaining the enhanced version of said weapon is sticking with Albs until the end.

For the purposes of the Albs vs Clerics choice - Albs are actually superior, even if only due to Enhanced version of Albs laser rifle being better to the Clerics one.

Same for the Morkons - you are very unlikely to get Enhanced Leadpreader / Enhanced Bloodsplatterer unless you're Destroyer with them.

If you don't max your rank with them - then your only option is doing what they suggest above and random their guards, hoping for a relevant weapon.

Ranged doesnt really interest me, i think i'm good with Calaan's Light and Sorrowbringer, but i'm thinking about joining the Albs and either go for that Cleric Regent armor and those 2 skills, or modding the Elexetor armor instead of Commander armor and staying with the Albs.