Do not play this game untill they fix CPU usage

[SiN]

Do not play the game if you don't have good cooling on ur CPU.
I have air cooling on my i5 13600k and the game crashed my PC multiple times.
CPU temp went over 100 C in certain Monolith maps.
This is game related, bad optimization atm.

I didn't have a single similar problem with any other newer games even on ultra settings in 1 year since i got this PC.

Don't risk frying ur PC.

[Khergit Horse Archer]

Originally posted by Psykrom:

I don't know how if the power level 2 is completely prevented. But for the most part, the amount of performance those cpu's can deliver is truly excessive and the power management should be much more efficient.
It does not need to always run full throttle, if I am doing minor tasks with little processing power required.

you'd have to run cinebench to find that out, but for intel chips, theres PL1 and PL2. PL1 is just a lower power state than PL2.

let's use my previously owned 10700f as reference.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/199318/intel-core-i710700f-processor-16m-cache-up-to-4-80-ghz/specifications.html

you can look at it's "Max Turbo Frequency" which is 4.8ghz, however this is usually only attainable on some cores of the 8 in that cpu, maybe about 1 or 2, at best. the rest may only reach 4.6 or even 4.5.

which comes back to the point about PL, that PL is one of the few constraints required to boost to 4.8 ghz on those few cores, alongside temperature and voltage.

in other words, that max turbo clock boost is a very inefficient way to boost cpu performance. if you were to disable that boost behavior, you'd gain way more power efficiency, when the cpu is at it's full capacity.

[Psykrom]

Originally posted by Khergit Horse Archer:

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you'd have to run cinebench to find that out, but for intel chips, theres PL1 and PL2. PL1 is just a lower power state than PL2.

let's use my previously owned 10700f as reference.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/199318/intel-core-i710700f-processor-16m-cache-up-to-4-80-ghz/specifications.html

you can look at it's "Max Turbo Frequency" which is 4.8ghz, however this is usually only attainable on some cores of the 8 in that cpu, maybe about 1 or 2, at best. the rest may only reach 4.6 or even 4.5.

which comes back to the point about PL, that PL is one of the few constraints required to boost to 4.8 ghz on those few cores, alongside temperature and voltage.

in other words, that max turbo clock boost is a very inefficient way to boost cpu performance. if you were to disable that boost behavior, you'd gain way more power efficiency, when the cpu is at it's full capacity.

Where do I best grab cinebench?
This the right adress? https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9pgzkjc81q7j?hl=en-us&gl=US

EDIT: Want to do a 100% to 99% comparison.

[Khergit Horse Archer]

Originally posted by Psykrom:

Originally posted by Khergit Horse Archer:

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you'd have to run cinebench to find that out, but for intel chips, theres PL1 and PL2. PL1 is just a lower power state than PL2.

let's use my previously owned 10700f as reference.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/199318/intel-core-i710700f-processor-16m-cache-up-to-4-80-ghz/specifications.html

you can look at it's "Max Turbo Frequency" which is 4.8ghz, however this is usually only attainable on some cores of the 8 in that cpu, maybe about 1 or 2, at best. the rest may only reach 4.6 or even 4.5.

which comes back to the point about PL, that PL is one of the few constraints required to boost to 4.8 ghz on those few cores, alongside temperature and voltage.

in other words, that max turbo clock boost is a very inefficient way to boost cpu performance. if you were to disable that boost behavior, you'd gain way more power efficiency, when the cpu is at it's full capacity.

Where do I best grab cinebench?
This the right adress? https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9pgzkjc81q7j?hl=en-us&gl=US

https://www.maxon.net/en/downloads/cinebench-2024-downloads

you may also want to download hwinfo64, it's required to look at useful statistics like cpu voltage, power and clock speed etc

https://www.hwinfo.com/download/

[Psykrom]

Originally posted by Khergit Horse Archer:

Originally posted by Psykrom:

Where do I best grab cinebench?
This the right adress? https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9pgzkjc81q7j?hl=en-us&gl=US

https://www.maxon.net/en/downloads/cinebench-2024-downloads

you may also want to download hwinfo64, it's required to look at useful statistics like cpu voltage, power and clock speed etc

https://www.hwinfo.com/download/

That's a hell of a lot of data coming out of hwinfo.
I forgot to ask if I should do single or multicore performance test (or both).
I just did multicore test on cinebench and got 653 points score at the 99% cpu power setting.

Which data is essential from the hwinfo sensor status table?

EDIT:

TEST 1 - 99% power saving plan

Cinebench ranking: 653 pts
Core Effective clocks: 3,348 MHz - 3,350 MHz peak
Core VIDs: 0.938 V - 0.944 V peak
Total CPU Usage 100%.
Core Utility 98%
Total CPU Utility: 98%
Temperature: 78 °C peak

TEST 2 - 100% balanced power plan

Cinebench ranking: 689 pts
Core clocks at 3,400 MHz - 3775 MHz peak
Core Vids 1.0 V - 1.031 V peak
Total CPU Usage 100%
Core Utility 114,2%
Total CPU Utility 111%
Temperature 90,8 °C peak

[Kae Asakura]

Bruh, just limit your fps maybe around 90-140 fps is good enough.

[Khergit Horse Archer]

Originally posted by Psykrom:

Originally posted by Khergit Horse Archer:

https://www.maxon.net/en/downloads/cinebench-2024-downloads

you may also want to download hwinfo64, it's required to look at useful statistics like cpu voltage, power and clock speed etc

https://www.hwinfo.com/download/

That's a hell of a lot of data coming out of hwinfo.
I forgot to ask if I should do single or multicore performance test (or both).
I just did multicore test on cinebench and got 653 points score at the 99% cpu power setting.

Which data is essential from the hwinfo sensor status table?

EDIT:
Core VIDs: 0.938 V
Total CPU Usage 100%.
Core Effective clocks: 3,348 MHz
Max CPU usage 100%
Core Utility and Total CPU Utility: 98%

if you are trying to measure perf/power then you mainly need to look at peak cpu package temperature (if you're not sure just take the highest), peak cpu power consumption and cpu clock speed.

if you are on the intel older than gen 12, you probably don't have e cores so it should be simple. if you are on intel gen 12 and above, the core clock speed at the highest order, is the aggregate of your p core and e cores.

a simple perf/power benchmark would go something like this: record control/idle relevant cpu stats, run a multicore benchmark for 10mins, record the peak relevant cpu stats. repeat test about 3-5 times, wait till cpu reaches idle temps or just repeat it straight away if you know you won't thermal throttle.

then repeat test for x amount of variables you want to test, like at 50% processor or 99% or 100% or w/e. don't alter more than one variable/factor per test.

you'd compare the peak power consumption vs cpu clock speed vs cinebench multicore perf numbers.

you can run the single core benchmark but it takes 999999years to finish so most dudes opt not to do it unless they really want to.

ideally the result is that the 99% processor state results require far less peak power consumption than the 100% and will have less cpu clock speed. maybe 5-50w? idk. the more cores you have, the bigger the results will be.

[Psykrom]

Originally posted by Khergit Horse Archer:

if you are on the intel older than gen 12, you probably don't have e cores so it should be simple. if you are on intel gen 12 and above, the core clock speed at the highest order, is the aggregate of your p core and e cores.

a simple perf/power benchmark would go something like this: record control/idle relevant cpu stats, run a multicore benchmark for 10mins, record the peak relevant cpu stats. repeat test about 3-5 times, wait till cpu reaches idle temps or just repeat it straight away if you know you won't thermal throttle.

you'd compare the peak power consumption vs cpu clock speed vs cinebench multicore perf numbers.

you can run the single core benchmark but it takes 999999years to finish so most dudes opt not to do it unless they really want to.

I will EDIT in some more numbers when the test concludes, thanks.
So far the audible decibel difference is not even noticable anymore.

[Khergit Horse Archer]

Originally posted by Psykrom:

So far the audible decibel difference is not even noticable anymore.

that's something you really shouldn't measure becuz thats only specific to your cpu cooler but you could measure it's loudness relative to your cpu power. although do know fans have something called resonance and maybe louder at certain rpm than at max rpm.

[Psykrom]

Originally posted by Khergit Horse Archer:

Originally posted by Psykrom:

So far the audible decibel difference is not even noticable anymore.

that's something you really shouldn't measure becuz thats only specific to your cpu cooler but you could measure it's loudness relative to your cpu power. although do know fans have something called resonance and maybe louder at certain rpm than at max rpm.

What do you think? Anything notheworty I forgot?

TEST 1 - 99% power saving plan

Cinebench ranking: 653 pts
Core Effective clocks: 3,348 MHz - 3,350 MHz peak
Core VIDs: 0.938 V - 0.944 V peak
Total CPU Usage 100%.
Core Utility 98%
Total CPU Utility: 98%
Temperature: 78 °C peak
CPU Core Power - 35,751 W peak
CPU PPT (core + socket) - 55,788 W peak

TEST 2 - 100% balanced power plan

Cinebench ranking: 689 pts
Core clocks at 3,400 MHz - 3775 MHz peak
Core Vids 1.0 V - 1.031 V peak
Total CPU Usage 100%
Core Utility 114,2%
Total CPU Utility 111%
Temperature 90,8 °C peak
CPU Core Power - 52,205 W peak
CPU PPT (core + socket) - 73,821 W peak

[Khergit Horse Archer]

Originally posted by Psykrom:

Originally posted by Khergit Horse Archer:

that's something you really shouldn't measure becuz thats only specific to your cpu cooler but you could measure it's loudness relative to your cpu power. although do know fans have something called resonance and maybe louder at certain rpm than at max rpm.

What do you think? Anything notheworty I forgot?

TEST 1 - 99% power saving plan

Cinebench ranking: 653 pts
Core Effective clocks: 3,348 MHz - 3,350 MHz peak
Core VIDs: 0.938 V - 0.944 V peak
Total CPU Usage 100%.
Core Utility 98%
Total CPU Utility: 98%
Temperature: 78 °C peak

TEST 2 - 100% balanced power plan

Cinebench ranking: 689 pts
Core clocks at 3,400 MHz - 3775 MHz peak
Core Vids 1.0 V - 1.031 V peak
Total CPU Usage 100%
Core Utility 114,2%
Total CPU Utility 111%
Temperature 90,8 °C peak

well you shud have checked power instead of voltage but, in this case, it's obvious from the voltage that it's drinking much more power at 100%. that core utility going above 100% is a sign it's turbo boosting towards max turbo clock, probably.

temperature also seems way lower so yeah i think my theory that your 99% processor state effectively disable max turbo boost should be correct.

you can go above and beyond to test specific games to check how much real performance you've lost but it's very specific to that game. but im too lazy to do that usually lol.

you will need msi afterburner's osd to check those numbers in games.
https://www.msi.com/Landing/afterburner/graphics-cards

but i wouldn't recommend that unless you really have too much time or just really interested in it.

[Psykrom]

Originally posted by Khergit Horse Archer:

well you shud have checked power instead of voltage but, in this case, it's obvious from the voltage that it's drinking much more power at 100%. that core utility going above 100% is a sign it's turbo boosting towards max turbo clock, probably.

temperature also seems way lower so yeah i think my theory that your 99% processor state effectively disable max turbo boost should be correct.

Where do I see power consumption under sensors?

[Khergit Horse Archer]

Originally posted by Psykrom:

Originally posted by Khergit Horse Archer:

well you shud have checked power instead of voltage but, in this case, it's obvious from the voltage that it's drinking much more power at 100%. that core utility going above 100% is a sign it's turbo boosting towards max turbo clock, probably.

temperature also seems way lower so yeah i think my theory that your 99% processor state effectively disable max turbo boost should be correct.

Where do I see power consumption under sensors?

it might be in the motherboard section or cpu sections, maybe hidden and needs to be enabled in the sensor options.

it's listed in watts so anytime you see value with "w", it's probably power related.

[Psykrom]

Originally posted by Khergit Horse Archer:

Originally posted by Psykrom:

Where do I see power consumption under sensors?

it might be in the motherboard section or cpu sections, maybe hidden and needs to be enabled in the sensor options.

it's listed in watts so anytime you see value with "w", it's probably power related.

Found it, was just below volt and ampere data.

[Psykrom]

At 99% power plan
CPU Core Power - 35,751 W peak
CPU PPT (core + socket) - 55,788 W peak

At 100% power plan
CPU Core Power - 52,205 W peak
CPU PPT (core + socket) - 73,821 W peak

[Khergit Horse Archer]

Originally posted by Psykrom:

At 99% power plan
CPU Core Power - 35,751 W peak
CPU PPT (core + socket) - 55,788 W peak

At 100% power plan
CPU Core Power - 52,205 W peak
CPU PPT (core + socket) - 73,821 W peak

thats quite low power, to reach 90c on that power is probably due to your stock intel cooler. that cooler is quite awful but it's still completely fine for most users on low power processor.

could also just be a laptop tho