Lagon - How NOT to design a boss fight

[nordstern]

I honestly had great fun playing Lost Epoche... up til now that I face Lagon. This boss is easily the worst boss design in all ARPG of the last two decades. Sure, it is theoretical easy, but because he is so tanky and can easily one-shot even the best tank in the game when misclicking or reacting too late, it is a fight on concentration and good internet connection. If one lacks over the fight, which can easily take more than 3 minutes, you are done for. Having to repeat immediately or having to replay THREE areas with boring map design and mobs.

Honestly, I'm not sure if I feel ANYTHING of that garbage being salvageable, but there are three points which should definitely make this suffering more acceptable:
1. Have a waypoint very near the port point to the arena
2, Reduce either HP or damage reduction of Lagon by 30%
3. Reduce the damage output of his attacks by 30%

[Corvis]

30% HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[nordstern]

Originally posted by Corvis:

30% HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Are you laughing as you think 30% is too low?
I don't want to fight a boring game design over multiple minutes and only survive because I made "the perfect run" or I'm abusing bugs. Well, the latter is at least the vast majority of videos on YouTube regarding "How to defeat Lagon". And all of them show that even with bug/glitch abuse, the fight is boring as hell and still takes multiple minutes.
However, I also don't want to be gratified with a win a blind one armed player can achieve while sleeping......

[Koopa]

Obviously you've never played any game above the difficulty of Noob

[Calamity Heart]

I assume you're talking about campaign Lagon?

Campaign Lagon seemed fine to me. I've only gotten to it on Void Knight so far and beat in one try without too much issue, but I can't really imagine that it's going to go any differently on other classes. Cap your resistances, watch his tells and hit your movement skill when you're supposed to, to avoid his beam. Stop misclicking and reacting too late.

I didn't lose in my fight against Lagon, so I don't know where it sends you when you die, but if there's no waypoint outside his arena, there probably should be, I will give you that, because the temple is annoyingly long. But Lagon himself is just a gear and awareness check.

[Rematin]

get good son

[Tyrone Biggums]

so a skill issue? got it

[Dallaen]

You know this boss was nerfed 3-4 times in early access? It's a complete joke fight now. It's supposed to be a gear/skill check so there is your problem. Learn how to play the game.

[Fanger]

Lilith would like to contest your statement

[én]

boss is easy get good

[best bulliet target]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-wtjC51fNc&t=366s

click to 6:04. and take that moment to heart... it's the staple too All arpg.

so i may offer live and kill. die and learn. never whine, never show your fear. for if you cannot overcome this your might aswell give up.

[Frost]

Lagon is probably the best boss in the campaign, the rest are complete pushovers that require zero thought. Even Majasa was boring in comparison.

[Kmany]

Just learn how to play better and learn how to make better builds.
Lagon is a totally fair fight.

[fruhead]

Lagon is honestly the first boss that tests your "git gud" skills and how your gear/build is. Does he hurt? Yes. Does he hurt too much? Majasa would like to have a word with you about "too much". I think the issue is, Lagon is honestly the first major fight that you couldn't really just face tank and spam attacks.

I'll grant the waypoint could be a bit closer, but the fight itself I think is fine. If anything, I would actually like to see some of the earlier bosses buffed a little bit to teach those lessons earlier. I was able to largely faceroll my way through campaign without much of a focus on upgrading my gear. Lagon and Majasa saw fit to punish my hubris.

[CoolKid]

He hasn't tested yet the monolyth version 😂

[My Killer Shack]

Originally posted by nordstern:

I honestly had great fun playing Lost Epoche... up til now that I face Lagon. This boss is easily the worst boss design in all ARPG of the last two decades. Sure, it is theoretical easy, but because he is so tanky and can easily one-shot even the best tank in the game when misclicking or reacting too late, it is a fight on concentration and good internet connection. If one lacks over the fight, which can easily take more than 3 minutes, you are done for. Having to repeat immediately or having to replay THREE areas with boring map design and mobs.

Honestly, I'm not sure if I feel ANYTHING of that garbage being salvageable, but there are three points which should definitely make this suffering more acceptable:
1. Have a waypoint very near the port point to the arena
2, Reduce either HP or damage reduction of Lagon by 30%
3. Reduce the damage output of his attacks by 30%

lagon is easy imo, so long as his claw slams dont one shot you which they never have for me.

All of his attacks are so telegraphed they are easy to avoid. hell if anything he is the golden standard for a boss. well telegraphed attacks and not just point click and dps race