Poe 2 player here

[Armoth]

Thinking about switching over. Does this game respect my time? Or is everything like slamming your ♥♥♥♥ in a door on repeat like....other games ?

[Drosta]

This game is significantly better for just being fun. You're going to miss the combat in Poe 2 probably and this game's campaign doesn't compare. But I think the combat argument is only valid in the campaign anyway the end game switches gears and goes back to being a screen wiping speed clearing typical arpg pretty quickly. I mean, imo Poe 2s campaign is S tier. But once you get to the end game all of its self inflicted problems come into play and personally I found it to be a (probably deliberately) frustrating grind. Never once did I find myself playing last epoch angry. But that was happening alot on Poe 2. I imagine someone will respond to this comment as if I just needed to "git gud" "skill issue" but I played that game almost 500 hours and cleared all of the pinnacles at least once. I just didn't enjoy doing it due to the slog you were required to engage in to get there. Poe 2 is a great game, but suffers for two main reasons. Tencent wanting engagement numbers and MTX sales above wanting players to be enjoying themselves and Jonathan wanting it to be old school Hardcore but not being able to get away with it because most players don't want anything to do with that ruleset.

In short yes, last epoch respects your time and gives you plenty of ways to improve your character and gear without being obscenely grindy. You can completely ignore It's own MTX store and have as many tabs as you want as they are all sold with gold. There is an in game auction house if you choose the merchants guild. So nothing "premium" trying to bait you into buying ♥♥♥♥ just to correct the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ systems they put in place for that reason. Etc.

[Nix]

Originally posted by Armoth:

Thinking about switching over. Does this game respect my time? Or is everything like slamming your ♥♥♥♥ in a door on repeat like....other games ?

There is no need to switch, you can play seasons of both games. Last Epoch is more fun for me and doesn't need a browser or external programs to be played, no ancient solutions like an action house in the browser with manual trade, everything is in the game and it respect your time by offering different playstyles for every kind of player. If you want to play SSF go for the circle of fortune faction: you get bonus to the drops (at the cost of no access to the market for example), merchant faction doesnt' get those bonus but there you can buy what you need from the trading. Well worth the price considering you don't have to buy tabs or anything after that, the incoming season is a HUGE update, pretty much 1 year of work, if you like the genre LE is sure worth the money. Day 17 there is the huge patch and the season start, optimal time to jump in.

[DarthBong420]

If you play melee then LE is billions of times better.

[Vahn]

The game does respect your time pretty well. Even to the point that you can get items on your main that allow alt characters to skip chunks of the campaign to get to endgame faster. Loot drops are plentiful. Crafting to get a perfect item is less of an RNG crapshoot and not dependant on finding ultra-rare currency orbs. Crafting is actually pretty fun, and usuable in this game.

[NotxEevee]

It's pretty casual with slightly more complexity than D4.
If you want instant gratification, go ahead. The game is pretty good despite its unfinished state, and if you plan to play solo, there's a faction that gives you even more loot!

[thawn4444]

LE is less boring and slightly more challenging than D4.

[thedeadmanshow87]

Compared to the current state of poe2, its definitely worth getting into LE. Plus a new season in like a week and it looks amazing, very very excited for this :D

[tiamats4esgares]

Originally posted by thedeadmanshow87:

Compared to the current state of poe2, its definitely worth getting into LE. Plus a new season in like a week and it looks amazing, very very excited for this :D

This. LE is in a better state than PoE2 was in 2 weeks ago, let alone now lol. Plus we have a patch that's going to make LE better, unlike PoE2, which basically just got worse.

[JimDFTW]

it always was better than poe1 and 2. Respects your time far more, its not aimed at the top 1% of gamers and streamers who have the time to grind for 9 hours a day + most importantly. THIS GAME IS FUN

[Ragnaman]

first reply is good,
I'd wish LE combat have the weight of poe2, sadly thats a complete redesign, but LE is just pure more fun. Crafting is just about right, not as annoying as in poe and not as braindead like D4 (altho havent checked on their latest version).

And story to be honest has great potential, cmon its time travel with world building. Sadly it seems their campaign/story progress has come to a halt, they could really make a wonderful story with the whole time travel and how changes in timelines could affect outcome. I had hopes that it would be open world with hopping between timelines, but its just instanced levels, oh well.
Very big sad of story situation.

[Cindeerella]

I have no ideas how good/bad PoE 2 is, but among all ARPGs (Adventures of Van Helsing, Wolcen, Grim Dawn, Titan Quest, Diable 2-3, Warhammer Inquiaitor) I played Last Epoch is the worst one and it DEFINITELY NOT RESPECTING YOUR TIME with any of its mechanics.

First, all bosses has lots of one shot attacks, it’s okay, but if you die during boss fight all your progress is lost (so if it was in dungeon, you will have to run entire dungeon again after finding another key, if it was during campaign you have to run entire location again and oh yes all mobs are respawned too). No even retry option or 3 chances to kill boss like damn Wolcen has (omg imagine being worse than Wolcen)

Crafting and legendary crafting is most insulting thing I ever seen in ARPGs, it’s even worse than Riven rolling in Warframe. First you get unique item with legendary potential (LP) slots (basically slots where you can merge stats from purple items) and here is a thing. If you want merge LP 2 (2 slots) with purple item with 2 tier 7 affixes (you can’t craft past t5, those are only lootable) and 2 t3 affixes… Well you better pray to all gods otherwise you’ll waste good purple item and will get useless legendary item with 2 useless t3 affixes! No undo or reroll button, both items are wasted now! I guess that’s respect of your time.

And final cherry on top. The worst skill system in ALL ARPGs. All skills have levels (up to 20 + skill modifiers from items) but when you swap lvl 20 skill for other, and than swap to that lvl 20 skill again it won’t be lvl 20, it will be like lvl 15 or less(depending on your lvl). So that’s thing entirely is ultimate waste of time and punish for any build testing.

So I don’t know which of those 3 mechanics is actually respecting your time.

Don’t listen to fanboys of this game, they are as much delusional and coping as cryptobros.

[Tyyne]

Originally posted by Cindeerella:

First, all bosses has lots of one shot attacks, it’s okay, but if you die during boss fight all your progress is lost (so if it was in dungeon, you will have to run entire dungeon again after finding another key, if it was during campaign you have to run entire location again and oh yes all mobs are respawned too).

Each of the big one-shot attacks are telegraphed very clearly and for a long time. Move out of the fire and you'll be good. The dungeon system is being reworked (if I remember correctly) so you do not lose your keys etc.

Originally posted by Cindeerella:

Crafting and legendary crafting is most insulting thing I ever seen in ARPGs, it’s even worse than Riven rolling in Warframe. First you get unique item with legendary potential (LP) slots (basically slots where you can merge stats from purple items) and here is a thing. If you want merge LP 2 (2 slots) with purple item with 2 tier 7 affixes (you can’t craft past t5, those are only lootable) and 2 t3 affixes… Well you better pray to all gods otherwise you’ll waste good purple item and will get useless legendary item with 2 useless t3 slots! I guess that’s respect of your time.

Check the S2 changes to crafting. It's getting much, much better by reducing the RNG elements. It's also your very own fault if you use bad exalted items to craft legendaries, because that way you get bad legendaries. Use better bases and don't gamble with low tier affixes.

Crafting was VERY bad when they first introduced it way back, you could actually just lose your items when you were trying to upgrade the affix levels. THAT was insulting.

Originally posted by Cindeerella:

And final cherry on top. The worst skill system in ALL ARPGs. All skills have levels (up to 20 + skill modifiers from items) but when you swap lvl 20 skill for other, and than swap to that lvl 20 skill again it won’t be lvl 20, it will be like lvl 15 or less(depending on your lvl). So that’s thing entirely is ultimate waste of time and punish for any build testing.

It takes almost 5 minutes to level them back up to level 20. Almost. Not that much of a punishment.

Originally posted by Cindeerella:

Don’t listen to fanboys of this game, they are as much delusional and coping as cryptobros.

Next time leave the insults out so people might respect your opinion a bit more.


@OP, wait until Season 2 is out and see what and how the developers actually manage to implement in the game. I've played this game more than I honestly should have (over many, many years) and the biggest problem with this game has been the absolutely glacial development speed and it has frustrated many players.

--edit--

Since you've played Dorktide for over 1.2k hours, well... compared to that game, let's say this one gives you massages, calls you a darling and makes you feel special :P

[Hex: Onii-Chan]

I played basically every semi-major ARPG out there and Last Epoch has by far one of the most fun combat feelings, no idea what the pinned answer is on about.

PoE1 combat was "Hey, can I clear the screen in an instant or will some random ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that I don't even know the composition of going to one-tap me".

PoE2 combat is "Hey, can I clear that white mob in my way or is he going to body block me, white another white mob jumps behind me and they just stunlock me in this 12-finger-colon of a level while the rare rotates outside of it all, its AI not being able to find a path and its rare modifiers spawning damaging garbage right under my feet"

Like, fml, you run without any gear in faster in LE than you run with max movement speed boots in PoE2.

Devs saw that feedback and went "Ya know what? How about we make it even more of a slog!!!"

[Sinistrum]

Originally posted by Armoth:

Thinking about switching over. Does this game respect my time? Or is everything like slamming your ♥♥♥♥ in a door on repeat like....other games ?

If youre coming from Poe/Poe2, No, it doesnt respect your time.

[Alvendo]

Originally posted by Armoth:

Thinking about switching over. Does this game respect my time? Or is everything like slamming your ♥♥♥♥ in a door on repeat like....other games ?

u have still rng with the loot and the crafting system but compared to PoE2 its less disrespectfull BUT STILL there is the RNG ( with the new patch they change somethings but still rng)

-u need a lootfilter lateron
-STASHTABS are compelety free (u buy new stashtabs with ingame Gold selling items etc.)
no REALMONEY to spend like POE2
-later on u have to run "maps" like in PoE2 but there need way less time to finish depends on the map 5-15 mins
-if u die on maps u dont lose XP or something if i remember right
-maps dont need "key" u just pick a map and press start, the only thing whats importen is the modifiers ur choise what u take/want/need/searching for
-u cant skipp the campa with alts/twinks
-stashtabs account wide
-classes gender locked
-the DEVS coming from POE so yeah most of the time u spend in the late game are on MAPS
-MAPs can changed to harder versions with curruption system
- there are multiple Map Biomes and every MAP Biom has his uniqwe Boss where u can target farm some uniqes etc. (Maps are called in LE are "Monolith" so there are multiple Monolith Regions after u select one u run Monoliths in this regions and every Regions has his own EndBoss)
-ye its respect more ur time but if u hit the endgame it feels similar to PoE2 and we talk about the Endgame of Enedgame of the Endgame
-u can respec ur class (acendet like PoE) i heard they changed ith with the new season, so now u can respec EVERYthing u want and this is MASSIVE HUUUUGE W from LE


for me personaly i dont like PoE and LE crafting for me its to rng and if u dont use lootfilter it sucksdicks

perhaps it will change with the new update i cant tell, i didnt played the new season (release 17.4)

ye, i know this is a not a usally opinion i get plenty of hate for that, i like LE and POE but i think D4 is respecting more ur time because its more casual friendly ye this is MY opinion for the rest of the world D4 is ♥♥♥♥ i know i know.