When Beastmaster is a better Shaman, than Shaman.

[Scipo0419]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/tempest-earthquake-beastmaster-guide

Was browsing the Maxroll builds to see what people have come up with and saw this build for Beastmaster. The Shaman builds are Druid builds based on Spriggan Form and Thorn Totem. The Druid builds are at least Druid builds.

Is Shaman really so bad that it's best builds are cos playing as Druid? And anyone who wants to feel like a Shaman plays Beastmaster?

I knew it was hard for me to put my own build planner for Shaman, but this is sad.

[Metadigital]

When I tried Shaman it felt really fragile, which made it frustrating.

[Katitoff]

What is actually the problem here?
Too much freedom to cross-class passives?

My friend plays paladin and he has 40 points in Forge Guard, because it works for his build.

Whole point of LE character building system is to allow you to build what you want and some classes have cross-class builds that'll work with some differences on both of them.

Absolutely nothing prohibits you from building only within your class.

[Scipo0419]

Originally posted by Katitoff:

What is actually the problem here?
Too much freedom to cross-class passives?

My friend plays paladin and he has 40 points in Forge Guard, because it works for his build.

Whole point of LE character building system is to allow you to build what you want and some classes have cross-class builds that'll work with some differences on both of them.

Absolutely nothing prohibits you from building only within your class.

I would say that the problem I see is that Shaman passives and skills offer so little value that the only way to make a Shaman based build work is to use the Beastmaster passives. As you only lose access to Avalanche and Storm Totem.

Shaman is in a very weird place right now where none of the pieces (or only a few) seem to fit together.

The Paladin/Forge Guard spec is great, especially if you're going for tanky Frontliner. But it would be a problem if playing Forge Guard or Void Knight were the best ways to play a Paladin, and the recommended ways to play Paladin were by treating it as a Void Knight.

[battl3hamm3r]

my 1st character was a shaman... but any build hits a wall around lvl 80 because the passive tree is quiet bad, there's no real synergy or any good power gain the further you go

Its druid or beastmaster... but pet management gets annoying with AOE fights