Mind numbingly boring

[Estranged]

After hours of leveling I'm still running around spamming ONE skill for hours, the combat feels unimpactful and barely any fun, the skill and character upgrades are boring as all hell (Yay I leveled up! what should I choose?! 1% more dmg on a skill? +10 hp? how exciting!), I have to force myself to keep playing after half an hour each session because i'm almost falling asleep.

Diablo 4, POE, Lost Ark were not nearly this boring during leveling. Maybe this game gets good at some point but so far it's a total snooze fest. I might not make it to the "good" part.

Anyone else feels the same?

[Lexi]

I'm enjoying LE but not nearly as much as D2, D4, Grim Dawn or Titan's Quest. Mechanically not as interesting as Titan or Grim, its world and story doesn't hit me the same way Grim or D4 did. I dunno, can see where OP is coming from.

[tukkek]

Isn't it interesting how almost every single person trying to defend the game can't actually defend the game? For some reason they can't explain to us how and why LE isn't boring - It's always some crazy lateral thinking like:

- OF is lying or trolling
- That OTHER game is MORE boring
- OP's build is boring (as if they knew)
- OF is playing wrong (whatever that means)...

It's almost like they know (consciously or not) that the game did in fact launch in an incredibly easy state (to the point some people are clearing the campaign's bosses using just the mouse), so they can't outright say "no the game is actually good" and have to come up with all sorts of non-sense excuses instead. It's fascinating, really!

I'm sure people who truly love POE or DOTA or Chess can spend countless hours talking about why they love their game. Yet here it's all "POE bad", "D4 bad", "OP bad" - as if saying any of that means that Last Epoch 1.0 isn't brain-dead easy with uninspired, flat combat barely any different from 2001's Diablo 2's LMAO (for the most part., at least).

[Ellye]

Soothslayer lähetti viestin:

POE were not nearly this boring during leveling.

I enjoy POE but that is such a bizarre statement to make.

Leveling in POE has the exact same issues you complained here about using only a single skill and only ever getting uninteresting +x% damage or +x hp bonuses.

Heck even the really cool support gem system of POE ended up devolving into a mess of a bazillion different types of "+x% more damage". Creating a build in POE is a math exercise of how to maximise your damage increases.

So I don't get how you complain that this game you only use one skill and the passives are boring but them prop up POE which is the same or even worse on that one aspect.

I feel like the Skill Specialization system of Last Epoch does what support gems in POE had the potential to do (but never did).

Honestly I have quite a few issues with Last Epoch, but it's one of the few ARPG that I feel have actual interesting choices to make when you build your character. Not as much variety as Grim Dawn and Titan Quest, but more streamlined in a nice way.

Most others have a lot of smoke and mirrors that in the end when you strip away surface layers just boil down to math exercises - I'm looking at POE especially. The "build variety" there is choosing a skill and figuring out how to get the largest damage multiplier for it... it's fun for a bit, but it gets really, really same-y. There are a few oddball builds here and there but they are the exceptions.

[vladeemer]

DucGrandma lähetti viestin:

Maybe the reason you think the game is boring is because you play necromancer? Because that is my experience, minus the spamming as I don't even have to do anything, my skeleton homies will do the job for me.

My necro's focusing on Marrow Shards and Wandering Spirits, with Rip Blood to get my health back up once my reaper pops. It's been pretty fun so far. I agree that hiding behind minions can be dull, so I just don't do it and so far that's been working out.

[CawsMeCal]

Tutorial easy I use basic build so I'm bored

You do this to yourself...

[Estranged]

THE WIND IS PUSHING MEEE lähetti viestin:

Soothslayer lähetti viestin:

the skill and character upgrades are boring as all hell (Yay I leveled up! what should I choose?! 1% more dmg on a skill? +10 hp? how exciting!)

This is just not true. There are so many meaningful, interesting choices regarding skills. Often you can basically transform a skill into an almost totally different one, to say nothing of uniques. Also Lost Ark not being boring during leveling is just, I dunno how you can think that about this game and not that game. Lost Ark is maybe one of the easiest arpgs to exist, until you get like, the second Ark, then you can actually die. Before that, you have to actively try to die. At least in Last Epoch there are plenty of enemies who can and will kill you if you're not careful.

Not sure, maybe it was because the combat in Lost Ark was REALLY fun, and I was using all my abilities. Dying is not usually a measure of how boring or not boring an ARPG is. I also havent died even once in Last Epoch so far.

[All Day I Dream About🪓]

As someone who played D4 and maxed out almost 5 chars not using meta bs builds spamming same skill over and over, but rather made my own builds focusing on synergies between all used skills, even the unlikely ones - I can say D4 is not boring and actually fun. It’s a mentality these days resulting in a vicious cycle: watch some streamer doing bazzilons of damage > copy his build > beat the game and feel bored > talk trash about it and move to the next ARPG > repeat previous steps.

Dudes, it’s a game, try to have fun and experiment, you don’t need a manual to have fun.

[CawsMeCal]

All Day I Dream About Sex lähetti viestin:

As someone who played D4 and maxed out almost 5 chars not using meta bs builds spamming same skill over and over, but rather made my own builds focusing on synergies between all used skills, even the unlikely ones - I can say D4 is not boring and actually fun. It’s a mentality these days resulting in a vicious cycle: watch some streamer doing bazzilons of damage > copy his build > beat the game and feel bored > talk trash about it and move to the next ARPG > repeat previous steps.

Dudes, it’s a game, try to have fun and experiment, you don’t need a manual to have fun.

Too many guide only gamers deprive themselves of playing games they just get their hand held and then don't know what to do once they let go so they lash out. When I was young people thought the gamers using guides were bad gamers... Now it's like they need a guide before they even touch the game. It's really sad they lack the skills to figure out systems for themselves. What's the point of just playing something someone else solved for you? Might as well just play Sudoku and Google the answers. I could understand it in something like Persona to get maximum scenes, story, and the true ending, but come on.

[Ellye]

All Day I Dream About Sex lähetti viestin:

As someone who played D4 and maxed out almost 5 chars not using meta bs builds spamming same skill over and over, but rather made my own builds focusing on synergies between all used skills, even the unlikely ones - I can say D4 is not boring and actually fun. It’s a mentality these days resulting in a vicious cycle: watch some streamer doing bazzilons of damage > copy his build > beat the game and feel bored > talk trash about it and move to the next ARPG > repeat previous steps.

Dudes, it’s a game, try to have fun and experiment, you don’t need a manual to have fun.

While I didn't enjoy D4 myself, I fully share this sentiment in a more general way.

I'll never understand people that copy builds in an ARPG.

For me it's like playing a story-focused game while reading and watching all the story spoilers beforehand. What's even the point?

Making your build and optimising is like 90% of what there is to be done in this genre, the other 10% is holding down right mouse button and moving around most of the time - the fun is exactly in watching your build come alive; copying a build kinda defeats the whole purpose.

But well, each people have different things they prefer.

[Taiji]

Soothslayer lähetti viestin:

Ziko lähetti viestin:

I would love to see a video of you with 1 skill on your hotbar killing everything in seconds.. you have 8.3 hours played, i think you are full of BS.

This is about the first few hours of the game (levels 1-20)

1. Choose sentinel.
2. Invest in Warpath
3. Spam Warpath nonstop
4. Everything dies in 5 seconds except for bosses which take 20 seconds.

Do you really need a video? this is what I've been doing since starting the game. Are you suggesting this game is somehow so "hard" that this one skill is not enough to kill everything during early leveling?

You can use lunge to get to packs faster.

You can also use rebuke to negate boss mechanics.

The other skills you should use depend on your mastery.

By the way every ARPG is boring AF to me gameplay-wise during low levels.

PoE is worse with this skill type.
- You cannot use it from the beginning.
- Noone recommends using it as soon as it's available because it's too slow.

Diablo 4 is way worse.
- You have to use another skill that sucks to be able to use it.

Your criticism, that you prefer Diablo 4 and PoE in this regard, suggests you like to, from my perspective, figuratively eat ♥♥♥♥ when it comes to gameplay.

[enu]

quite frankly, you are leveling, which is the most boring phase in any arpg.

[ele]

Soothslayer lähetti viestin:

After hours of leveling I'm still running around spamming ONE skill for hours, the combat feels unimpactful and barely any fun, the skill and character upgrades are boring as all hell (Yay I leveled up! what should I choose?! 1% more dmg on a skill? +10 hp? how exciting!), I have to force myself to keep playing after half an hour each session because i'm almost falling asleep.

Diablo 4, POE, Lost Ark were not nearly this boring during leveling. Maybe this game gets good at some point but so far it's a total snooze fest. I might not make it to the "good" part.

Anyone else feels the same?

No, all those games are terrible in comparison.

[DrummerJacob]

Artarian lähetti viestin:

Does anyone else remember when people could just admit "This game isn't for me?" And then move on?

You have all these choices to focus on skills and have them interact with other skills from the skill talent trees and you are angry at the game for your own decisions on how you built your character.

And then you have the gall to say POE is better when almost every league build is literally built around using single skills? It's your own bad habits ruining it for you, my friend and that's okay.

I found this OP in a different games' forum whining about genders in a game that doesnt have or need them (hockey) and the developer had to lock the thread. Then you go and look at their reviews and they review 99% of their games with negative "this game is trash" type reviews, then you look at their post history and its painfully obvious this is just a miserable person thats never going to be happy with anything.

Theyre downvoting top Steam games and games that have stood the test of time. I understand if one or two games isnt for them, but 99% of their reviews being not only negative but downright nasty, yeah....I think this is a one guy type situation.

Never seen someone so negative on this platform in so many places LMAO

[Estranged]

DrummerJacob lähetti viestin:

Artarian lähetti viestin:

Does anyone else remember when people could just admit "This game isn't for me?" And then move on?

You have all these choices to focus on skills and have them interact with other skills from the skill talent trees and you are angry at the game for your own decisions on how you built your character.

And then you have the gall to say POE is better when almost every league build is literally built around using single skills? It's your own bad habits ruining it for you, my friend and that's okay.

I found this OP in a different games' forum whining about genders in a game that doesnt have or need them (hockey) and the developer had to lock the thread. Then you go and look at their reviews and they review 99% of their games with negative "this game is trash" type reviews, then you look at their post history and its painfully obvious this is just a miserable person thats never going to be happy with anything.

Theyre downvoting top Steam games and games that have stood the test of time. I understand if one or two games isnt for them, but 99% of their reviews being not only negative but downright nasty, yeah....I think this is a one guy type situation.

Never seen someone so negative on this platform in so many places LMAO

Get a life dumbass. My reviews are mostly negative because I don't bother leaving good reviews unless the game is really good. Unfortunately, most games these days suck balls. Therefore, many negative reviews.

I love how you keep harping on the fact that I asked for a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ female option in a hockey game. SO CRAZY. The default character looks like a DUDE. I asked why there's no option to look like a GIRL. "Doesnt need them" oh yeah they're only in every single sport game that exists these days, or hell, almost every single game that exists in any genre. But how dare I ask for a female option? I'm so toxic.

How was I supposed to know the devs decided the characters are "Genderless" when it literally looks like a dude? You clown.

P.S - Your website looks like something out of 1980 "LMAO". Might wanna invest your time on that instead of stalking my activity on Steam you imbecile.

[᠋]

Estranged, i agree with that this game is very boring but don't need to proof something on forums about this game to local residents because 99% of them are fanboys with zero logic in their reasonings. On release this game has 290k+ online players but now it has 16740 online players. And it continues to fall. What is there to disputing about? Just leave everywhere negative feedback about this game like me and relax. This game is already dead. Only developers can ressurect it.