Diablo 4 is a threat

[GOD OF WAR SANCHEZ]

I have just finished playing Diablo 4 Season 4, and while the game has big issues with trading and balance problems between classes.

Masterworking, GA affixes, GA uniques, are all a things LE team should look at. Diablo 4 has constant feeling of chasing better loot as you can find GA2 after GA1, GA3, or even GA4 uber unique... Whats best is that you can see on the ground if an item has a greater affix, and greater affix stat is locked, it is not a range from 1 to 99.

[Ravenkid9266]

Originally posted by GOD OF WAR SANCHEZ:

Diablo 4 has constant feeling of chasing better loot

"We don’t want to aim for gear to be as high of a portion of your total power of build customization as other games though." Quoted from the EHG interview with Zizaran.

[PortalShifter]

Diablo 4, isn't that the game where you pay $60 for horse armor?

[TyresTyco]

Originally posted by PortalShifter:

Diablo 4, isn't that the game where you pay $60 for horse armor?

Yes. While you pay money in this game to look remotely okay. D4's cash shop prices and practices are absolute garbage tier. The game however currently is quite okay besides endgame.

Meanwhile this game is just a mismanaged shell without something in it besides ideas. Both games have problems only that this game will take 10 more years (with it's current pace) before it will get actually good if they don't grind it at some wall with their weird design philosophy.

[UnknownOne]

Played D4 Season 4. It is hot garbage. The loot is so bad it removes any carrot you search for. Further, the character builds are insanely limited.

IMHO, Blizzard is a dead studio. D4 will never be a good game. Even 3 years from now it will still be bad because the foundation the entire game is built on is ridiculously bad. The designers tried to make a gambling simulator and encourage the RL money store. It's insanely bad.

I did not play the previous seasons as I felt that D4 was a massive waste of money and time. The loot update peeked my interest, and I can safely say it's hot garbage.

[Tyyne]

Originally posted by PortalShifter:

Diablo 4, isn't that the game where you pay $60 for horse armor?

And the upcoming DLC coming with a nice price also so to each their own I guess. I wish people would grow up and play what they like without having to constantly try to pick fights about game X being better than game Y.

[Koala 4peace]

Good to know. A threat to what? Last Epoch?

Biggest thread for that one is EHG themselves, so whatever.

[Kmany]

The crafting as it is is way better in LE in my opinion and i think D4 took some ideas from LE to make the system they have now.
Either way people are not restricted to play just one game, generally people will go where there is new interesting stuff to explore, and I am looking forward to the new LE content.
If the D4 content is good I might look into that aswell, the spiritborn class in D4 that is to come i havent made my mind up about yet. I am not really into pets and summons so it might not be my jam.

[GOD OF WAR SANCHEZ]

Originally posted by PortalShifter:

Diablo 4, isn't that the game where you pay $60 for horse armor?

who cares about horse armor? I never even bothered looking at it.

Originally posted by UnknownOne:

Played D4 Season 4. It is hot garbage. The loot is so bad it removes any carrot you search for. Further, the character builds are insanely limited.

IMHO, Blizzard is a dead studio. D4 will never be a good game. Even 3 years from now it will still be bad because the foundation the entire game is built on is ridiculously bad. The designers tried to make a gambling simulator and encourage the RL money store. It's insanely bad.

I did not play the previous seasons as I felt that D4 was a massive waste of money and time. The loot update peeked my interest, and I can safely say it's hot garbage.

I have played season 1, the game was like millions times worse than it is now. Idk, it had gazillion of issues, it was unplayable on many levels.

Now, it got a dozen of end game bosses, several improved end game mechanics, easy loot search/codex of power aspects book, easy uber unique farm and e.t.c.

It has fairly decent gameloop and gear progression now. You go from nightmare dungeons, to pit, then to tormented bosses, then back to Pit, and loot gets better. S4 fixed a ton of problems in the game.

Leveling from 1 to 100 is only like 10 hours max, and about 100 hours to get fully endgame geared/masterworked 12/12.

You can reliably farm GA affixes uniques from Torment Bosses, which is what I did, and getting incredibly rare and overpowered gear as a result. And masterwork crit on the right affixes.

[GOD OF WAR SANCHEZ]

Originally posted by Koala 4peace:

Good to know. A threat to what? Last Epoch?

Biggest thread for that one is EHG themselves, so whatever.

That is true but it applies to all existing ARPG games. Last Epoch, Path of Exile, and Diablo, I think any can become a hot pile of garbage any momen if they take wrong direction, but as of today, they are getting more equal. D4 was an outsider but it is catching up at fast pace.

[GOD OF WAR SANCHEZ]

Originally posted by Kmany:

The crafting as it is is way better in LE in my opinion and i think D4 took some ideas from LE to make the system they have now.
Either way people are not restricted to play just one game, generally people will go where there is new interesting stuff to explore, and I am looking forward to the new LE content.
If the D4 content is good I might look into that aswell, the spiritborn class in D4 that is to come i havent made my mind up about yet. I am not really into pets and summons so it might not be my jam.

Competition is driver of progress, I am all in for the games becoming better.

Originally posted by UnknownOne:

D4 will never be a good game.

It is already a "good" game with plenty to offer. I am not even talking about campaign, cinematics and graphics. D4 simply blows there any competition.

You can check rising steam numbers ever since Season 4 released and player retention. If they would release the game as it is now, on a release date a year ago, it would be a whole different story.

[zarthemad]

D4 is that used condom that you can wash out another time....

usable.... perhaps........... worthwhile.... no

[Knavenformed]

Yeah I gave both games a spin again and this time Diablo 4 got me to end-game

The imbalance in class skills in Last Epoch needs to be addressed sooner than later, it's so demotivating to get to lvl30 where you build is starting to take shape and it just does not perform comparatively to other choices in a class

[VerucaSalty]

The fact that gamers see other similar games in a genre as "threats" versus healthy competitors or choices with different pluses/minuses . . . is so weird to me.

[nacciw574]

Originally posted by VerucaSalty:

The fact that gamers see other similar games in a genre as "threats" versus healthy competitors or choices with different pluses/minuses . . . is so weird to me.

Yup, unless it is an argument about a game being "good" with glaring issues, then it's less stupid and more about people with their heads in the sand.

Originally posted by GOD OF WAR SANCHEZ:

Leveling from 1 to 100 is only like 10 hours max, and about 100 hours to get fully endgame geared/masterworked 12/12.

This is what GD clocked for me on average with fresh starts. 1-SR 80+ in about 100 hours which is a really good place IMO.

[thedeadmanshow87]

d4 season 4 is definitely a step up from where it was. Its actually fun now, and really addicting.
All the changes were a blessing. I got burnt out bad here on LE after 200 sum hours , d4 im almost at 1000 since launch now.
Yeah there is some dumb expensive micro transactions in the game..But dont have to buy them. I don't even look at them, in game armor looks sick imo and is good enough.

I love Last epoch, its a great game. But this taking months for any content updates is killing it.
its been a long time since even a patch has release for anything.
All the builds you can do in this game is awesome..But content is just dry.

I feel like they need to release ANYTHING as soon as its finished for the time being, not wait months to drop a half decent patch.
Sure, its how these games are. player base drops in between seasons.

But this one dropped bad, and it sucks to watch.
D4 is actually winning now...pretty wild