Better than Diablo 4?

[FellowNick]

Is this game worth playing? I played D4 on launch through Season 1 and stopped.

[SivartStoneheart]

D3 is better than D4. The bar is low.

[Echorion]

If compared overall, I don't feel it's better than Diablo 4 in it's entirety...but it's still a great game and worth picking up, at least for the single player experience. The value for the price is absolutely there even if it did not have an online at all.

The online experience, not just because of the server launch issues but just a lot of design and stability in general- makes for a weaker online experience overall. I keep having my character model disappear, huge lag spikes, disconnects, etc....
It has no features like seeing through teammate minions, no transmog for player appearances, none of that level of Diablo polish either.

Last Epoch has a much better skill system and character build diversity than Diablo does, it also has a better crafting system if you can even call what D4 has "Crafting".

Diablo wins in graphics, audio, story, online gameplay, intuitiveness and scale.

Last Epoch wins in Build diversity, core/offline gameplay, gearing, character growth/classes, end game content, and development support/communication.
It has build depth that is closer to path of exile levels of crazyness but all while being almost as easy to dive into as Diablo is.

If you paid for and played Diablo 4, this game is absolutely worth it. It's like half the price for a game that, if talking about offline only, is still good enough to be mentioned alongside Diablo, PoE, Grim Dawn, etc.

[Wookiee]

Originally posted by Echorion:

If compared overall, I don't feel it's better than Diablo 4...but it's still a great game and worth picking up, at least for the single player experience. The value for the price is absolutely there even if it did not have an online at all.

The online experience, not just because of the server launch issues but just a lot of design and stability in general- makes for a weaker online experience overall. I keep having my character model disappear, huge lag spikes, disconnects, etc....
It has no features like seeing through teammate minions, no transmog for player appearances, none of that level of Diablo polish either.

Last Epoch has a much better skill system and character build diversity than Diablo does, it also has a better crafting system if you can even call what D4 has "Crafting".

Diablo wins in graphics, audio, story, online gameplay, intuitiveness and scale.

Last Epoch wins in Build diversity, core/offline gameplay, gearing, character growth, end game content, and development support/communication.
It has build depth that is closer to path of exile levels of crazyness but all while being almost as easy to dive into as Diablo is.

If you paid for and played Diablo 4, this game is absolutely worth it. It's like half the price for a game that, if talking about offline only, is still good enough to be mentioned alongside Diablo, PoE, Grim Dawn, etc

if there is one thing D4 and blizzard does it is intuitiveness. and their online play even first week was lacking.

[BossmanSlim]

Last Epoch is solidly the middle ground between D4 and Path of Exile. It has more depth, better loot, better progression and more options than D4. It is less complex, less punishing and has less content than Path of Exile.

Last Epoch needs to work out some bugs it has and keep dropping content, but once that is worked out it has a good shot of being around for a while; especially if PoE2 is as complex as PoE1.

[Coldhands]

I'd go with D4. Last Epoc has cool ideas but struggles with the fundamentals. It's a pretty boring slog to the end game.
That said, both games are likely to get improvements over time, and they've both got the potential to be great. Until then, if you haven't tried it, I think Grim Dawn is probably the best ARPG around right now.

[Hian Gomes]

Originally posted by Coldhands:

I'd go with D4. Last Epoc has cool ideas but struggles with the fundamentals. It's a pretty boring slog to the end game.
That said, both games are likely to get improvements over time, and they've both got the potential to be great. Until then, if you haven't tried it, I think Grim Dawn is probably the best ARPG around right now.

I feel that sometimes the devs don't even played the game lol.

[Níðhöggr]

D4 has better campaign, graphics, lore, art design.
LE has better itemization, stashes, endgame potential.

Gameplay is very subjective.

[FellowNick]

Originally posted by SivartStoneheart:

D3 is better than D4. The bar is low.

lmao

[Dashimaki]

I stopped playing D4 in the middle of season 1.
If you like D2, I think you'll enjoy LE.

[Mortiaris]

Its better, top 3 i think, Grim Dawn>Poe>Last Epoch

Game have some jank animations, but its budged soo. Its worth it. Im still cant go through money waste on diablo, but last epoch its ok, devs really deserve it.

Lore and story is better in last epoch, i dont know how people can say that D4 had any lore, they bassicaly destroyed open world. One really good Open world H&S is sacred 1-2.

[JustSmile]

D4 campaign, artstyle, graphics, and story are incomparably better. The rest of the game is the other way around.

[tgvsw]

I dont see how people can say D4 is better than Last Epoch? D4 barely has content and doesnt even have an true endgame and the game is twice as expensive

[Weird Potato]

LMAO
"better than Diablo 4"

That is not a high bar to meet.

[Смешная нарезка мобов]

D4 - worst arpg ever

[BobOnix]

honestly end game is about as boring, run the same looking proc gen dungeons, doing about 4 different randomly selected goals, complete this 20 times (which can take up to an hour) to fight the different but ultimately the same variants of Shade, and get a certain item (that never drops) then take that into a multi level dungeon to fight the most boring boss in the game to turn that item into a legendary...rinse repeat.

then show off on leaderboard no one cares about via the ARENA where you fight wave after wave after ave with boss that is stupidly overtuned lol

and do this all whilst following a cookie cutter build on maxroll, now your a gamer.