Why did they release this game with an unfinished campaign?

[neuronfly]

I was about to buy this game but my friends quickly recommended against it and told me that the main storyline campaign is unfinished. I was shocked to hear this. My question is why? I have played lots of ARPGS since 2002 like Grim Dawn, Diablo, Titan quest, Dungeon siege, Torchlight, Sacred, etc and each and every one of those ARPG games launch with a finished campaign and adding expansions 1 or 2 years later. So why Last Epoch launched with an unfinished initial campaign? Why did they betray the ARPG fanbase like this?

[Ayk-]

Because they can get away with it?
Just look at all those fanboys defending a greedy move, via spreading misinformation.
Prepare for a lot of unfinished campaigns, games and stories after this game's initial launch success.

[Dilligaf]

Originally posted by Bossonova420:

because they can and there are no laws that protect us in regards to a full campaign as they have broken promises in the past this is no surprise.

This is a pretty funny response. we don't need any laws. They made a game you either buy it and play it or you don't. I have already got my moneys worth of game play and am not finished with the all the acts yet.

[AlucardNoir]

Originally posted by Dilligaf:

Originally posted by Bossonova420:

because they can and there are no laws that protect us in regards to a full campaign as they have broken promises in the past this is no surprise.

This is a pretty funny response. we don't need any laws. They made a game you either buy it and play it or you don't. I have already got my moneys worth of game play and am not finished with the all the acts yet.

Steam needs you to not have played more than 2 hours for then to honor your refund request. It takes more than 2 hours to find out the campaign isn't finished.

As for getting you money's worth... good for you, why should we care? I mean, YOU got YOUR money's worth. But that doesn't mean we have.

[archmag]

How do you decide if campaign is unfinished or open ended? It ended with sending you to monolyth to stabilize basically infinite amount of shards. It seems pretty finished, we finished travelling through the world/time periods, met some major characters some of which ended up dead because of us, some we know ended up dead eventually but not because of us, some remained alive lost somewhere among infinite amount of places. Do you want your character dead at the end of the story for it to be finished?

Was campaign in diablo finished? We killed the last boss, but main character is still alive, so we don't see the end of his story and actually see the continuation in Diablo 2. Then see continuation of Diablo 2 in Diablo 3. How do you even finish a story? It's such a weird claim that something is unfinished.

[moody]

I know. I don't like it.

It just tells to me "go farm Monos. Over and over."

I'm bored of that.

I just want story. How am I "role playing" when I'm just looking for an Exalted 24/7?

[AlucardNoir]

Originally posted by archmag:

How do you decide if campaign is unfinished or open ended? It ended with sending you to monolyth to stabilize basically infinite amount of shards. It seems pretty finished, we finished travelling through the world/time periods, met some major characters some of which ended up dead because of us, some we know ended up dead eventually but not because of us, some remained alive lost somewhere among infinite amount of places.

Was campaign in diablo finished? We killed the last boss, but main character is still alive, so we don't see the end of his story and actually see the continuation in Diablo 2. Then see continuation of Diablo 2 in Diablo 3. How do you even finish a story? It's such a weird claim that something is unfinished.

..so, you farming for a jester hat or just trying to make excuses for the game's unfinished state? How do you even finish a story? really?

[Balm]

whats the problem bro? snake lady stole the thing and vanished into spacetime, what are you going to do about it? nothing, game over, enjoy it

[archmag]

Originally posted by AlucardNoir:

..so, you farming for a jester hat or just trying to make excuses for the game's unfinished state? How do you even finish a story? really?

Tell me what exactly is unfinished about this story then. It was there to introduce us to end game system, it did its job. It is finished. Story ended on us starting to stabilize infinite amount of shards.

[Zok]

Originally posted by Wingerie:

Originally posted by Wintermute:

This is ARPG brainrot. Story matters. Campaign matters. A lot of people come to those games to just play through normal once, and never touch elite/mapping/rifts/monoliths/whatever. Telling them to "♥♥♥♥ off it's not that kind of game" is wrong. Because, as a matter of fact, every other competitor IS that kind of game, even Diablo 4. Maybe if they have fun with finished campaign they will actually stick around for the real poison.

They matter for some people, but this game just isn't for them, and it's alright. You're not entitled for every game to appeal to your tastes. If you didn't research it before buying, that's on you, not on the game not meeting your expectations. And it's great that you have a Diablo 4 (hehe), just go and play it. I know D4 isn't a game for me, for example, because it lacks good endgame, and I don't care about the story. I loved it when D3 introduced adventure mode, so I could skip the campaign. For now LE is a little bit empty for me coming from PoE, but I also had my expectations in check, I'll be playing it from time between the PoE seasons.

Weird. If this game is supposed to be a sandbox and not about the campaign then how come they even bothered to create it? Why did they spend so much time, effort and resources to polish the prologue? Why are they forcing it down our throats instead of letting us skip it and jump right into the sandbox ?
Rhetoric questions.

[ppaladin123]

Originally posted by archmag:

How do you decide if campaign is unfinished or open ended? It ended with sending you to monolyth to stabilize basically infinite amount of shards. It seems pretty finished, we finished travelling through the world/time periods, met some major characters some of which ended up dead because of us, some we know ended up dead eventually but not because of us, some remained alive lost somewhere among infinite amount of places. Do you want your character dead at the end of the story for it to be finished?

Was campaign in diablo finished? We killed the last boss, but main character is still alive, so we don't see the end of his story and actually see the continuation in Diablo 2. Then see continuation of Diablo 2 in Diablo 3. How do you even finish a story? It's such a weird claim that something is unfinished.

I mean the campaign is obviously unfinished. You have the blessing of Majessa at the end so the spear is ready to fight Rayleh, which was the entire point of that chapter..that remains unresolved. You are also supposed to return to fight the immortal emperor afterward and that is unresolved. How does the whole immortal empire start to begin with? You have met the past versions of some of its players...who is the emperor himself though (I think we can all guess) and that is unresolved. Also you were supposed to kill the emperor to prevent the void from being unleashed but during the Majessa fight you see the void pre-dates him and you learn about Oberos. So now what? That is unresolved.

I don't personally care..this isn't a taut thriller and I don't play this sort of game for story but it is pretty clear they decided to leave early access without resolving the base plot because they had to invest resources elsewhere. I am sure they will add a resolution of sorts over time.

[archmag]

Originally posted by Zok:

Why are they forcing it down our throats instead of letting us skip it and jump right into the sandbox ?

You can skip it if you want after you arrive to chapter 2 and visit end times for the first time. Then you already have access to the endgame but don't have any idea why you are doing what you are doing. The rest of the game is basically to introduce you to this endgame.

[Fraktal]

Originally posted by Gottkaiser Fhqwhgod:

Originally posted by NeverADullDoor:

Never... aside from this little known indie title I played back in the day that ended on a massive cliffhanger. It's cool, you're not an idiot or anything; I know you probably never heard of it, it slipped under most people's radar.

It was called Diablo 2.

I personally feel that the story that was added by LoD destroyed a very good ending that D2 had.
Diablo 1 ended in a possible loop. The old hero becomes the new Diablo. It would have been a good end if the game failed and there never was a sequel.
Then Diablo II happened and LoD pretty much ended it. Until they released the horrible Diabl3ah.

D3 > D4

[AlucardNoir]

Originally posted by archmag:

Originally posted by AlucardNoir:

..so, you farming for a jester hat or just trying to make excuses for the game's unfinished state? How do you even finish a story? really?

Tell me what exactly is unfinished about this story then. It was there to introduce us to end game system, it did its job. It is finished. Story ended on us starting to stabilize infinite amount of shards.

Now that's just a lie. The campaign was not about the end game or getting us to the end game, it was about defeating the winged god. Which we never do. IT was about defeating the Immortal emperor, which again, we never do. We aren't even introduced to Orobyss properly in game yet when we arrive at the end after defeating the Snake god we talk like the entire story has been about him and only him thus far when he was just introduced.

Seriously, the campaign is unfinished and does a piss poor job introducing us to the end game. If you think it does an acceptable job you just have low standards.

[archmag]

Originally posted by ppaladin123:

I mean the campaign is obviously unfinished. You have the blessing of Majessa at the end so the spear is ready to fight Rayleh, which was the entire point of that chapter..that remains unresolved. You are also supposed to return to fight the immortal emperor afterward and that is unresolved. How does the whole immortal empire start to begin with? You have met the past versions of some of its players...who is the emperor himself though (I think we can all guess) and that is unresolved. Also you were supposed to kill the emperor to prevent the void from being unleashed but during the Majessa fight you see the void pre-dates him and you learn about Oberos. So now what? That is unresolved.

I don't personally care..this isn't a taut thriller and I don't play this sort of game for story but it is pretty clear they decided to leave early access without resolving the base plot because they had to invest resources elsewhere. I am sure they will add a resolution of sorts over time.

If I understand it correctly we were gathering blessings for the spear to fight Rayleh immortal emperor but then we screwed up and let that Naga create multiple timelines which basically was the reason the world was destroyed. Now we are trying to fix it by stabilizing the timelines. There isn't a main timeline anymore where we can go and kill Rayleh or confront the immortal emperor which we planned to kill with a spear, they are gone in some timelines and they are alive in others. I fought Rayleh in one of the broken timelines, I think the one with the lost spear but it was already a resurrected Rayleh, so someone, probably us killed him before and now cultists resurrected him again and we kill him the second time. Basically the main timeline is destroyed and we can't go back but we try to fix all those broken timelines to get them back to a single common ending (reminds me of Loki series).

At least that's how I understand what we are doing now. Basically Monolyth is continuation of the story but it splits into different timelines that we visit. Not sure if there is more important story part later in them, I only completed 4/10.

[AlucardNoir]

Originally posted by archmag:

Originally posted by ppaladin123:

I mean the campaign is obviously unfinished. You have the blessing of Majessa at the end so the spear is ready to fight Rayleh, which was the entire point of that chapter..that remains unresolved. You are also supposed to return to fight the immortal emperor afterward and that is unresolved. How does the whole immortal empire start to begin with? You have met the past versions of some of its players...who is the emperor himself though (I think we can all guess) and that is unresolved. Also you were supposed to kill the emperor to prevent the void from being unleashed but during the Majessa fight you see the void pre-dates him and you learn about Oberos. So now what? That is unresolved.

I don't personally care..this isn't a taut thriller and I don't play this sort of game for story but it is pretty clear they decided to leave early access without resolving the base plot because they had to invest resources elsewhere. I am sure they will add a resolution of sorts over time.

If I understand it correctly we were gathering blessings for the spear to fight Rayleh but then we screwed up and let that Naga create multiple timelines which basically was the reason the world was destroyed. Now we are trying to fix it by stabilizing the timelines. There isn't a main timeline anymore where we can go and kill Rayleh or confront the immortal emperor which we planned to kill with a spear, they are gone in some timelines and they are alive in others. I fought Rayleh in one of the broken timelines, I think the one with the lost spear but it was already a resurrected Rayleh, so someone, probably us killed him before and now cultists resurrected him again and we kill him the second time. Basically the main timeline is destroyed and we can't go back but we try to fix all those broken timelines to get them back to a single common ending (reminds me of Loki series).

At least that's how I understand what we are doing now. Basically Monolyth is continuation of the story but it splits into different timelines that we visit. Not sure if there is more important story part later in them, I only completed 4/10.

If that's what happened you and I played very different games. Very different.